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MOKE1K · 02-03-2009, 10:41 AM

Cant believe their actually going to do it. Woe is me, its a sad day.

First 600cc Four-Stroke "Moto2" Racebike Unveiled In Spain News Article // RoadracingWorld.com

acecycleins · 02-03-2009, 11:20 AM

Here's the question as I see it: What's legal in the new rules?
As I know it the motor must be a "proto-type". If it's not a 600rr motor then what is it? How is it possible for Honda to R&D a motor over the course of a summer for "proto-type" racing? Is it sandcast? Is it in-line? It's all too vaugue. Frame and bodywork do nothing to elaborate on what's hiding under the skin. Those do look like steel brake rotors, though.

MOKE1K · 02-03-2009, 02:29 PM

Neumatic valves perhaps? Who knows, Iam just going to miss the 2smokes!!!

Knowing Motogp, having a one off engine even though its a regular in-line 4 will still probably get you into the Dance.

sfcdjevans · 02-03-2009, 04:46 PM

This being at the tail end of the baby boomer generation just keeps getting suckier, that's a word right?

pplassm · 02-03-2009, 04:49 PM

Yes, suckier is indeed a word. DORNA is killing racing.

acecycleins · 02-04-2009, 04:14 PM

It's not DORNA alone. Tree huggers and Euroweenies are helping. For some reason we suddenly have be racing "green". Stupid really. Racing is noisy, smelly and completely insane. Why do we want "green" to intrude on our insanity?

pdad13 · 02-04-2009, 08:49 PM

Actually, the engine regs are pretty hazy right now. I'm pretty sure that the chassis is supposed to be a prototype and the engines aren't. There was talk of a single engine supplier but that didn't happen. Last I heard, the manufacturers were going to be allowed to run some derivative of their 600 supersport engines.

I know I saw the rules somewhere...hmm...ah, here they are:

"...The 600cc, four-stroke motors will have a maximum speed of 16,000 rpm (for 4-cylinder engines, with 15,000 and 15,500 rpm limits for 2 and 3-cylinder engines, respectively). Adherence to these boundaries will be monitored and controlled by an electronic system, supplied by the FIM´s designated organiser.

Electronic systems themselves will be more limited than those currently permitted in 250cc, which has seen select factories bringing in traction control in recent years. Moto2 rules will allow for data loggers, ECU and timing transponders supplied by the organiser, with a maximum total cost of the ECU´s components set at 650 euros (75,000 yen). No other electronic control, nor datalogging systems, will be present on the bikes.

Moto2 will use standard options in terms of engine and electronics, but will continue the 250cc series´ pursuit of developmental excellence with the running of a prototype chassis -free from limitation. No production bike parts will be permitted for the frame, swing arm, fuel tank, seat and cowling, meaning that these aspects of the machine will also be left to the manufacturer and designers´ discretion.

Carbon brakes like those used in MotoGP will not be a part of the 600cc class, part of the cost-reducing philosophy of the new series. A list from the FIM, detailing outlawed `non-conventional´ materials and manufacturing methods, will be issued in the future, although in most cases a standard of iron-based and aluminium alloys has been put in place.

Moto2 machines will be limited to one per rider, with a maximum of two complete engines. Those engines used in any given race will be available for purchase by rival competitors, for the fixed price of €20,000, in the hour following a Moto2 Grand Prix."

02-03-2009, 10:41 AM	#1
MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,956	Honda BQR moto2 revealed. Cant believe their actually going to do it. Woe is me, its a sad day. First 600cc Four-Stroke "Moto2" Racebike Unveiled In Spain News Article // RoadracingWorld.com __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL" "The only thing limiting your bike, is you" We survived Bush you'll survive Obama! "the most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." --thomas sowell Last edited by MOKE1K : 02-03-2009 at 10:48 AM.

02-03-2009, 11:20 AM	#2
acecycleins Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Georgia Posts: 4,125	Here's the question as I see it: What's legal in the new rules? As I know it the motor must be a "proto-type". If it's not a 600rr motor then what is it? How is it possible for Honda to R&D a motor over the course of a summer for "proto-type" racing? Is it sandcast? Is it in-line? It's all too vaugue. Frame and bodywork do nothing to elaborate on what's hiding under the skin. Those do look like steel brake rotors, though. __________________ "Slack" - a state of being in which everything flows smoothly.....a frame of mind so at ease that the universe naturally cooperates.

02-03-2009, 02:29 PM	#3
MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,956	Neumatic valves perhaps? Who knows, Iam just going to miss the 2smokes!!! Knowing Motogp, having a one off engine even though its a regular in-line 4 will still probably get you into the Dance. __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL" "The only thing limiting your bike, is you" We survived Bush you'll survive Obama! "the most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." --thomas sowell Last edited by MOKE1K : 02-03-2009 at 02:32 PM.

02-03-2009, 04:46 PM	#4
sfcdjevans Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: 43.47N-76.48W Posts: 956	This being at the tail end of the baby boomer generation just keeps getting suckier, that's a word right? __________________ 3425 miles from Reading, UK Why their heads on a pike of course. If I thought it would do any good.

02-03-2009, 04:49 PM	#5
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Yes, suckier is indeed a word. DORNA is killing racing. __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

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02-04-2009, 04:14 PM	#6
acecycleins Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Georgia Posts: 4,125	It's not DORNA alone. Tree huggers and Euroweenies are helping. For some reason we suddenly have be racing "green". Stupid really. Racing is noisy, smelly and completely insane. Why do we want "green" to intrude on our insanity? __________________ "Slack" - a state of being in which everything flows smoothly.....a frame of mind so at ease that the universe naturally cooperates.

02-04-2009, 08:49 PM	#7
pdad13 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,733	Actually, the engine regs are pretty hazy right now. I'm pretty sure that the chassis is supposed to be a prototype and the engines aren't. There was talk of a single engine supplier but that didn't happen. Last I heard, the manufacturers were going to be allowed to run some derivative of their 600 supersport engines. I know I saw the rules somewhere...hmm...ah, here they are: "...The 600cc, four-stroke motors will have a maximum speed of 16,000 rpm (for 4-cylinder engines, with 15,000 and 15,500 rpm limits for 2 and 3-cylinder engines, respectively). Adherence to these boundaries will be monitored and controlled by an electronic system, supplied by the FIM´s designated organiser. Electronic systems themselves will be more limited than those currently permitted in 250cc, which has seen select factories bringing in traction control in recent years. Moto2 rules will allow for data loggers, ECU and timing transponders supplied by the organiser, with a maximum total cost of the ECU´s components set at 650 euros (75,000 yen). No other electronic control, nor datalogging systems, will be present on the bikes. Moto2 will use standard options in terms of engine and electronics, but will continue the 250cc series´ pursuit of developmental excellence with the running of a prototype chassis -free from limitation. No production bike parts will be permitted for the frame, swing arm, fuel tank, seat and cowling, meaning that these aspects of the machine will also be left to the manufacturer and designers´ discretion. Carbon brakes like those used in MotoGP will not be a part of the 600cc class, part of the cost-reducing philosophy of the new series. A list from the FIM, detailing outlawed `non-conventional´ materials and manufacturing methods, will be issued in the future, although in most cases a standard of iron-based and aluminium alloys has been put in place. Moto2 machines will be limited to one per rider, with a maximum of two complete engines. Those engines used in any given race will be available for purchase by rival competitors, for the fixed price of €20,000, in the hour following a Moto2 Grand Prix."