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Old 01-11-2010, 06:21 PM   #31
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H-D were using the Buell Blast as their training platform in the Rider's Edge course. They'll be needing a replacement to fill that role, and I don't think Sportster's will cut it. None of the current H-D lineup are newbie friendly IMO.

If I may digress, I'm on a U.S. military base overseas, where you can buy a new Harley-Davidson motorsickle through the PX/BX. So there are some guys here who bought new big twins as their first bike ever even though there are plenty of smaller used bikes (like Hyosungs) available (can you say mid-life crisis?). Of course it would be embarrassing for these people to be seen on anything other than the genuine article. Then they end up only riding the bikes on the base becuase riding off-base here (Seoul, Korea) is overwhelming for new riders--hell it's no picnic for veteran riders.


So, not sure if entry level bikes from H-D would be successful, but hopefully some of those people who can't put their butt on anything but a Harley would have enough sense to start off small and move up. Also I think they may find a market among women riders.
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Old 01-12-2010, 06:59 AM   #32
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I had heard about the ATK/HD/Hyosung connection before.

Perhaps they'll rebadge the ATK 440. The bike wasn't that bad, just needed refinement.
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Old 01-12-2010, 10:09 AM   #33
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"If I may digress, I'm on a U.S. military base overseas, where you can buy a new Harley-Davidson motorsickle through the PX/BX. So there are some guys here who bought new big twins as their first bike ever even though there are plenty of smaller used bikes (like Hyosungs) available (can you say mid-life crisis?). Of course it would be embarrassing for these people to be seen on anything other than the genuine article. Then they end up only riding the bikes on the base becuase riding off-base here (Seoul, Korea) is overwhelming for new riders--hell it's no picnic for veteran riders."

We had that same program when I was in the Navy. I got an XLCH myself, but you wouldn't believe all the new riders who purchased a big hog, and got to ride my Honda CB100 for a few months, while I "broke in" their FLH or whatever other giant HD they purchased. One guy ate it so many times in the parking lot, I think he was buying clutch & front brake levers by the gross dozen.

It was OK by me, they couldn't ruin the CB100, and I had fun on their new shiney e start hogs, since starting my XLCH in the fall was a hit-or-miss proposiiton at best.
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Old 01-12-2010, 11:14 AM   #34
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The Nav had bikes in the Exchange at Yokosuka. In 1970 you could get brand new CB350s for $400. CB450s for $600. I got a Kwacker W2650 for $800.

'Course 10 bucks would buy a week's groceries in the States. And the Yen was 360 to the Greenback. And I had to walk uphill to school 4 miles both ways.

Harley is better off forgetting about entry level bikes. Each previous attempt has been a miserable failure. They didn't lose enough money over Buell and MV already? LOL!
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Old 07-30-2010, 11:46 AM   #35
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whatever it is it will need a huge seat for the AVG 300 lb HD rider
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Old 07-30-2010, 12:20 PM   #36
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whatever it is it will need a huge seat for the AVG 300 lb HD or Victory rider
Fixed that for ya'!




Essentially the "same" demographic - Vic is pursuing HD's clientelle, so what applies to one applies equally to the next! If "HD Faithful" want these bikes, so do "Victory Faithful".
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Old 07-30-2010, 01:17 PM   #37
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Fixed that for ya'!




Essentially the "same" demographic - Vic is pursuing HD's clientelle, so what applies to one applies equally to the next! If "HD Faithful" want these bikes, so do "Victory Faithful".
i am 6-1 205 lbs with a very small butt i am also 63 years old
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Old 07-30-2010, 01:45 PM   #38
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i am 6-1 205 lbs with a very small butt i am also 63 years old
You made a Generalization - but I pointed-out that Victory is essentially "hunting" the same woods as the Harley dealer down the street.

If you count yourself as a "typical" Victory rider, then your comment is incorrect, as they share the same types of buyers - that means the "typical" H-D-Faithful closely resembles yourself.
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Old 08-01-2010, 11:07 AM   #40
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BMW and Kawasaki beat ATK by 10 years at least with fuel injected motorcycles.
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