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Old 10-06-2008, 04:31 AM   #11
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"This kid, at this age, had more talent in his pinky than most of you commuters will ever have."

I can name at least two professional road racers that died recently from commuting. Being able to race has nothing to do with staying alive on the street. It's like the difference beteween a boxing match and a street fight. That kid probably wouldn't last a year commuting in Chicago. Not a smart ass answer, but the truth.
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Old 10-06-2008, 05:16 AM   #12
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"This kid, at this age, had more talent in his pinky than most of you commuters will ever have."

I can name at least two professional road racers that died recently from commuting. Being able to race has nothing to do with staying alive on the street. It's like the difference beteween a boxing match and a street fight. That kid probably wouldn't last a year commuting in Chicago. Not a smart ass answer, but the truth.
Ok, how many commuters will die compaired to proffessional racers.(On the street) Lets add up both of those list?

So what your saying is even a minimal amount of time on a race track be it dirt or pavement will not give you a better chance at staying alive on the street???

Is that what your saying?


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Old 10-06-2008, 05:44 AM   #13
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All I said is that there are street survival skills and race skills. The two don't have much to do with each other. If you are already competent with the riding skills, normal cornering and emergency stops, then you have as good a chance as anyone at street survival, if you know what to look out for. If you want to start shyt as to how the kid has more skill in his little finger that the commuter does in his whole body then put the kid in downtown traffic for a year and I say he goes down hard. I'll bet anything on it. Staying alive on the street has more to do with what to look for and stay away from than mad racer skillz. All the racer skills in the world won't do you a bit of good if you never saw that car that just pulled out in front of you, didn't expect that guy to run that stop sign, or have to deal with some road raged a$$hole that feels like running you down. I'm also saying that if you don't know the difference between street survival and racing then I can't help you. I bet you really believe that Ali was the greatest fighter on earth and could whip anyone cause he had the best boxing skills right? Two different animals.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:13 AM   #14
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This kid, at this age, had more talent in his pinky than most of you commuters will ever have. For all the smart ass answers in this thread either get on a dirt bike, or take a trackday, something, anything.
With all due respect Mr. Moke, while track time on or off pavement is indeed a fun hobby, or even profession: bullcrap!

Circulating around a track in a completely controlled environment is light years from dodging cagers, trucks, potholes, etc. in the real world. I'd be happy to meet the kid or most anyone else at my place to join me on the morning commute to work. I'm not saying that you can't learn to handle a bike well on a track, you can. And some of those skills are useful on the street. But to dismiss the talent and skills of people who are still riding after 25+ years in the real world just because they don't share your interest in track riding is: bullcrap.
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Old 10-06-2008, 06:43 AM   #15
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All I said is that there are street survival skills and race skills. The two don't have much to do with each other. If you are already competent with the riding skills, normal cornering and emergency stops, then you have as good a chance as anyone at street survival, if you know what to look out for. If you want to start shyt as to how the kid has more skill in his little finger that the commuter does in his whole body then put the kid in downtown traffic for a year and I say he goes down hard. I'll bet anything on it. Staying alive on the street has more to do with what to look for and stay away from than mad racer skillz. All the racer skills in the world won't do you a bit of good if you never saw that car that just pulled out in front of you, didn't expect that guy to run that stop sign, or have to deal with some road raged a$$hole that feels like running you down. I'm also saying that if you don't know the difference between street survival and racing then I can't help you. I bet you really believe that Ali was the greatest fighter on earth and could whip anyone cause he had the best boxing skills right? Two different animals.
Why are you arguing with a snob? It's a complete waste of time.
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:28 AM   #16
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I enjoy your posts Moke, and I admit you have more current racing knowledge than me but don't make the mistake that it translates into real world experiance.
I and at least three or for others here were riding dirt bikes, Moto-Crossing, riding Enduros and Desert racing when you were still in knee-britches. I average over 20k a year on the street as do others here and have done for nearly 30 years and rode dirt bikes every day for 10 years before that. I've ridden in everything from fog and ice to a foot of snow and survived went back and did it again the next day and the day after that....

Before you start up with the no skilz crap I'd give it a little thought. Most of us started out on Japanese bikes with drum brakes hard tires and rubber frames and rode the wave all the way up to now, Ithink we picked up at least a minimum of bike handeling skills along the way
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Old 10-06-2008, 07:52 AM   #17
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I'd really like to see this kid pilot a 1970 CB100 from NAS Oceana to Pier 9 in Norfolk down expressway 61 in winter. Maybe that would enhance his track skilz as well.
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The only thing that it would enhance is his hospital bill.
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I'd really like to see this kid pilot a 1970 CB100 from NAS Oceana to Pier 9 in Norfolk down expressway 61 in winter. Maybe that would enhance his track skilz as well.
Or a 1969 CL90 from Camp Tien-sha in Danang to the rock quarry.
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Old 10-06-2008, 08:44 AM   #20
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I'd really like to see this kid pilot a 1970 CB100 from NAS Oceana to Pier 9 in Norfolk down expressway 61 in winter. Maybe that would enhance his track skilz as well.
I think Ohlins has leased a good stretch of I-564 for testing. If they haven't been beaten to it by Monroe...

Oh, my guess for MOKE's quiz is... Tiger Woods!
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