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Old 04-07-2008, 01:38 PM   #1
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Old 04-07-2008, 02:21 PM   #2
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Did they really have a choice? HD will be producing less than 300k bikes for the first time since the late 90s. Lay-offs were coming and the Onions know it. Yep- I did that intentionally for you union worshipers. Remember this, union boys: You're executives make the same type of money as the people you love to hate. They say they are there to help, but in the end all they do is drive up the cost of goods and services to placate those that have NO ability to negotiate for themselves. Wow! Ought to send that to some conservitive right-wing radio guys.
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:08 PM   #3
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Did they really have a choice? HD will be producing less than 300k bikes for the first time since the late 90s. Lay-offs were coming and the Onions know it. Yep- I did that intentionally for you union worshipers. Remember this, union boys: You're executives make the same type of money as the people you love to hate. They say they are there to help, but in the end all they do is drive up the cost of goods and services to placate those that have NO ability to negotiate for themselves. Wow! Ought to send that to some conservitive right-wing radio guys.
Horse pucky! Unions are the only effective means workers have to protect their interests. And if you look at the strenght of American industry historically, you'll see there is a direct correlation: strong unions mean strong industry, weak unions mean slave labor and cheap Chinese goods.
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Old 04-07-2008, 03:50 PM   #4
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Horse pucky! Unions are the only effective means workers have to protect their interests. And if you look at the strenght of American industry historically, you'll see there is a direct correlation: strong unions mean strong industry, weak unions mean slave labor and cheap Chinese goods.
Yeah. Because in Europe, where unions are far far more powerful, workers earn less than non-union workers in America. That's more of that 'cause'.

It's ridiculous to compare the unions of the turn of the 20th Century to those of the turn of the 21st. A hundred years ago union members were expected to work. It's the growing laziness of unions and the 50's mentality that's harmed themselves and lost so many jobs overseas. $80 per hour compensation packages for semi-skilled labor... LOL! While unions in theory are a powerful force for worker's in practice they've become more of a hindrance. The Steelworker's union's inability to see reality was the major factor in wrecking the US Steel industry. Same same the UAW. The only growing sector of unions is public unions..... worthless do nothings if there ever were.

Unions. Another good idea that went off the rails.
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Old 04-07-2008, 05:32 PM   #5
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Collective thinking! That simple. You cannot build your own self value in a union. You negotiate as a whole. What if you and Johnny IT are working for the same wages but you happen to kick his butt all over the company with your "skillz"? Are you only worth Johnny's pay?
One hundred years ago there was a place. Today, with Federal work standards you simply cannot get away with "slave labor". I cannot figure out for the life of me why I would pay equally across the board to my empoyees. I should pay for performance- period. Otherwise, hit the bricks. Teacher's unions are the worst, because they won't actually fire the employees. Seems stupid. Big Business makes us pay more as consumers for two simple UNION reasons: 1- Health Care 2- Pensions. If not for these two items the cost every consumer good could be reduced by 20-30%. The UAW absolutely put the American automaker out of business compared to Honda and Toyota.
Tell me this Kenneth- How can Toyota and Honda compete for market share so strongly here? They pay the same as the Big Three and have health care and a 401k. Yet, they make money while the Big Three are sinking fast. Mostly this is the case because employees are accountable for performance and with no union they (Big Business) can actually fire someone that has a $hitty work ethic.
Unions are not what's best for the employee. They're what's best for the whole- including the Union Execs that make big non-union types of salaries. Who's scr3wing who? You just can't go through life thinking somebody will make sure you get paid what the "collective" thinks you're worth and be fine with that. I a d@amn good worker and I know I'm worth more than anyone that does what I do. Pay me- b!tch! That's how it works....
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Old 04-07-2008, 06:25 PM   #6
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I worked for Emery Airfreight in 1992, they were with the Teamsters. Some low-level shake up in employee staffing got me laid off, and because the Teamsters had forgotten to take out my dues for over a year, my last pay check was $76.00. Thanks Sete Tortelli, hope I see you in a cross walk some day and I'm ridin' a steamroller.
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Old 04-07-2008, 08:30 PM   #7
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My father works in a non-union machine shop and has for 29 years, he was a machinist in the late 80s when there was a huge slump in the industry. He was one of the only people that went to school with him that had a job that didn't involve pumping gas or bagging bananas. When my mom mentioned this to her friends they looked down at her because it was a non-union shop. Personally i'd rather work non-union in my field than pump gas.
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Old 04-08-2008, 04:44 AM   #8
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>Yeah. Because in Europe, where unions are far far more powerful,
>workers earn less than non-union workers in America. That's
>more of that 'cause'.

Uh huh. Workers earn less than in America, is this sweeping comment again from the trusted financial advice magazine Guns&Ammo?

Europe is a collection of vastly different countries so it obviously depends whether you compare to Bulgaria or Sweden. If you compare US wages to German ones for example: them huns earn much more than your union guys by a big margin. And their unions are strooong. IG Metal can bring the government down if they so please. Can’ t say the same about UAW really can you?

And lets remember Germany is the number one exporting country in the world. Not so bad.

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>Yeah. Because in Europe, where unions are far far more powerful,
>workers earn less than non-union workers in America. That's
>more of that 'cause'.

Uh huh. Workers earn less than in America, is this sweeping comment again from the trusted financial advice magazine Guns&Ammo?

Europe is a collection of vastly different countries so it obviously depends whether you compare to Bulgaria or Sweden. If you compare US wages to German ones for example: them huns earn much more than your union guys by a big margin. And their unions are strooong. IG Metal can bring the government down if they so please. Can’ t say the same about UAW really can you?

And lets remember Germany is the number one exporting country in the world. Not so bad.

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Govt by union, tee hee. I'm sure that looters like you think it's a good idea.... which automatically makes it a bad idea. Better invest in burkhas. That's the only guaranteed long term investment for your favorite continent.

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Old 04-08-2008, 05:22 AM   #10
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>How can Toyota and Honda compete for market share so strongly here?
>They pay the same as the Big >Three and have health care and a 401k.
>Yet, they make money while the Big Three are sinking fast.

Toyota and Honda can compete because they don’t produce appalling turds like Chevy Impala or Pontiac G8. And the turdiness does not come from losely fitted hinges, which could be Union problem. It comes from crappy design. Strong union marques like Merc, BMW, Audi and Porsche are doing pretty nicely.

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