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Ethanol raises safety concerns
 
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Buzglyd 03-12-2008 03:13 PM

Ethanol is a total joke and it just shows how wrong the gov't is when it picks winners and losers in the marketplace.

Now we're going to pi$$ away billions on windmills and other crap that doesn't work.

BrowningBAR 03-12-2008 03:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzglyd (Post 180426)
Ethanol is a total joke and it just shows how wrong the gov't is when it picks winners and losers in the marketplace.

Now we're going to pi$$ away billions on windmills and other crap that doesn't work.

Interesting article. But I wonder how this conclusion has been made as higher blend ethanol fuels are used in other countries.

Not saying that Ethanol is the cure to B.S. speculative crude pricing, but it seems odd that safety concerns have been raised when there are larger test cases in other countries.

seruzawa 03-12-2008 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by BrowningBAR (Post 180429)
Interesting article. But I wonder how this conclusion has been made as higher blend ethanol fuels are used in other countries.

Not saying that Ethanol is the cure to B.S. speculative crude pricing, but it seems odd that safety concerns have been raised when there are larger test cases in other countries.

Well, let's see. I takes a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol from corn. It also takes hundreds of gallons of water. When you add it up you lose a lot of energy making ethanol form corn. It's only "profitable" because of the fed subsidy. This means that the taxpayers are paying huge prices to subsidize the farm conglomerates. Plus the price of wheat has gone up because of the switch to corn by farmers seeking to cash in on the public teat.

Ethanol is made cheaply in other countries from cane sugar. Cane sugar is subsidized in the USA and imports are highly taxed.

Ethanol from corn is just another scam foisted on us by the corrupt republicrats. Sorry for the redundancy.

BrowningBAR 03-12-2008 03:50 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 180431)
Well, let's see. I takes a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol from corn. It also takes hundreds of gallons of water. When you add it up you lose a lot of energy making ethanol form corn. It's only "profitable" because of the fed subsidy. This means that the taxpayers are paying huge prices to subsidize the farm conglomerates. Plus the price of wheat has gone up because of the switch to corn by farmers seeking to cash in on the public teat.

Ethanol is made cheaply in other countries from cane sugar. Cane sugar is subsidized in the USA and imports are highly taxed.

Ethanol from corn is just another scam foisted on us by the corrupt republicrats. Sorry for the redundancy.

Right, right, right. I know that part. You know I know that part. The "safety concern" is what I am questioning.

Buzglyd 03-12-2008 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 180431)
Well, let's see. I takes a gallon of petroleum to make a gallon of ethanol from corn. It also takes hundreds of gallons of water. When you add it up you lose a lot of energy making ethanol form corn. It's only "profitable" because of the fed subsidy. This means that the taxpayers are paying huge prices to subsidize the farm conglomerates. Plus the price of wheat has gone up because of the switch to corn by farmers seeking to cash in on the public teat.

Ethanol is made cheaply in other countries from cane sugar. Cane sugar is subsidized in the USA and imports are highly taxed.

Ethanol from corn is just another scam foisted on us by the corrupt republicrats. Sorry for the redundancy.

Don't forget ethanol can't be transported in current pipelines because it picks up water in the process. Which means pollution spewing trucks get to transport it.

Your vehicle also gets way less fuel mileage on ethanol.

seruzawa 03-12-2008 03:56 PM

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Originally Posted by BrowningBAR (Post 180432)
Right, right, right. I know that part. You know I know that part. The "safety concern" is what I am questioning.

The engines have to be specifically designed to run the higher blends of ethanol.

Fuel Testers: Protects your engine from ethanol blend gasoline. Alcohol Fuel Test Kits.

sarnali2 03-12-2008 04:23 PM

No NO NO, you've got it all wrong.....those helpful family farmers who run ADM and Carghill are graciously turning away from basic food crops and switching to enviromental sh*t-bomb corn crops because they want to help us.......Do you honestly think at this point our Government would lie to us?


Ethanol based fuels are the key to halting Global Warming, Foreign oil dependence, obscene oil company profits, the encroaching march of Global Communism and 9-11

Less gas millage, rougher running and increased emmissions are a small price to pay for supporting conglomerats that contribute so heavily to the current administration

mscuddy 03-12-2008 05:03 PM

Ah, a topic close to my heart (& liver too).
 
When I was in Brazil in '05 visiting the in-laws we got to visit a Kachasa plant/distillery in Vitoria, near Receife in NE Brazil.

Since the whole north east of Brazil is covered with acres and acres of Sugar Cane, they have seen fit to run cars in Brazil on the stuff, or drink it for years now.

They have "flex" cars that start up on gas, then switch over to alcohol, or cars designed to run on straight alcohol with no gas needed.

I'm running on alcohol now too, since I got my new still. Sugar cane is perfect for making ethanol, because you don't have to convert the starch in something like corn, to sugar, by boiling it for a few hours at 172 degrees, before yeast can ferment the wort into alcohol.

Sugar Cane is full of natural unrefined sugar, that all they have to do is put in a press, and squirt out sugar cane juice, throw it in fermenter (with air lock so it doesn't turn to vinegar) and in a couple of weeks you have a 12 to 18% wash of alcohol that can be triple distilled into 50% alcohol (200 proof).

Then they have two oulet pipes in the distillery, one goes to the bottling plant for the Kaschasa, and one goes to the tanker trucks for the Ethanol stations run by the govt. Brazil is self sufficient energy wise now, no more need for foreign earl.

Buzglyd 03-12-2008 05:56 PM

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Originally Posted by mscuddy (Post 180440)
When I was in Brazil in '05 visiting the in-laws we got to visit a Kachasa plant/distillery in Vitoria, near Receife in NE Brazil.

Since the whole north east of Brazil is covered with acres and acres of Sugar Cane, they have seen fit to run cars in Brazil on the stuff, or drink it for years now.

They have "flex" cars that start up on gas, then switch over to alcohol, or cars designed to run on straight alcohol with no gas needed.

I'm running on alcohol now too, since I got my new still. Sugar cane is perfect for making ethanol, because you don't have to convert the starch in something like corn, to sugar, by boiling it for a few hours at 172 degrees, before yeast can ferment the wort into alcohol.

Sugar Cane is full of natural unrefined sugar, that all they have to do is put in a press, and squirt out sugar cane juice, throw it in fermenter (with air lock so it doesn't turn to vinegar) and in a couple of weeks you have a 12 to 18% wash of alcohol that can be triple distilled into 50% alcohol (200 proof).

Then they have two oulet pipes in the distillery, one goes to the bottling plant for the Kaschasa, and one goes to the tanker trucks for the Ethanol stations run by the govt. Brazil is self sufficient energy wise now, no more need for foreign earl.

I'm sure the one car that is shared between a billion people runs just fine on the stuff.


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