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pplassm · 09-26-2007, 11:36 AM

I respectfully disagree. I believe the riding public at large is sold on the notion that 2 strokes are filthy devices with narrow powerbands that make the motorcycles they are in hard to ride.

I submit, as evidence, the demise of the 2-stroke in the off-road motorcycle world. Yes, 4-strokes are given a hefty displacement advantage (soon to be revised from what I hear), but the reason they were developed in the first place was to answer customer demand.

It doesn't matter that a similar sized 2-stroke is lighter, more powerful, and can have a powerband just as broad as a 4-stroke (Ridden a late model 300XC-W lately?). The majority believe "Four strokes truck and two strokes suck".

Disclaimer: I have no "facts and/or data" to back this up, just impressions from discussions with other dirt riders over the last 35 years.

Cheesebeast · 09-26-2007, 12:02 PM

Pplassm, I hear ya'. My take is that many people view the two stroke as "disposable" and needing maintenance too often.

Check out the Evinrude E-tec Direct Injection system and the advantages are pretty impressive. On the other hand, I think many of the luddite snowmobile enthusiasts I know (my brother in law, for one) don't relish the idea of a "complex" electrical system mucking up his two-stroke chimp simplicity.

Anyway, Moto GP banned two strokes (in 2007) from competing in the 800CC class, so that too is stacked against the humble two stroke.

The_AirHawk · 09-26-2007, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheesebeast

You can't run. You can't hide. Cthulhu knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you are awake. He knows if you been bad or good and he will eat you just THE SAME.

It is as Naughty as it wants to be........

Kenneth_Moore · 09-27-2007, 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheesebeast

I am pleased you all seem to be taking the news in such a positive light. I, for one, wailed and offered mute supplication for tender mercy when I received the loathsome vision of what the future holds for us poor mortals.

It's hard to get too alarmed about stuff anymore, given that by all rights I should have been dead at least three already.
Bring it on!

seruzawa · 09-27-2007, 06:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pplassm

I was never a boot. I was a plebe.

Even worse.

sarnali2 · 09-27-2007, 07:16 AM

a relitive handfull of Spaniards with Rapiers, Swivel Guns and matchlock rifles and pistols kicked the sh*t out of them last time. What do we have to worry about?

seruzawa · 09-27-2007, 09:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore

Ok, I want to be on the team that isn't: "hapless masses who are lucky enough to survive the Mayan onslaught"

.... any Mayan onslaughts.

Stone knife? Meet my friend FnFAL.

pushrod · 09-27-2007, 01:31 PM

Well- rapiers, swivel guns, matchlock rifles and pistols, and a bunch of very effective microbes...

anrajala · 10-04-2007, 11:22 PM

The Spanish came in to introduce democracy to Mayan people. That’s why they got the support of the masses.

- cruiz-euro

09-27-2007, 07:16 AM	#16
sarnali2 Aging Cafe` Racer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sittin' down by my window, lookin' at the rain. Posts: 8,132	a relitive handfull of Spaniards with Rapiers, Swivel Guns and matchlock rifles and pistols kicked the sh*t out of them last time. What do we have to worry about? __________________ "Carpe` Throttelum -Loud Suits Save Lives" "All the BMW riders in the room, I want you to leave. Now. Out. "

09-27-2007, 01:31 PM	#18
pushrod Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Baja 'Bama Posts: 3,478	Well- rapiers, swivel guns, matchlock rifles and pistols, and a bunch of very effective microbes... __________________ You would not understand, this is not how I am... I have become - Comfortably Numb.

09-26-2007, 11:36 AM	#11
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	I respectfully disagree. I believe the riding public at large is sold on the notion that 2 strokes are filthy devices with narrow powerbands that make the motorcycles they are in hard to ride. I submit, as evidence, the demise of the 2-stroke in the off-road motorcycle world. Yes, 4-strokes are given a hefty displacement advantage (soon to be revised from what I hear), but the reason they were developed in the first place was to answer customer demand. It doesn't matter that a similar sized 2-stroke is lighter, more powerful, and can have a powerband just as broad as a 4-stroke (Ridden a late model 300XC-W lately?). The majority believe "Four strokes truck and two strokes suck". Disclaimer: I have no "facts and/or data" to back this up, just impressions from discussions with other dirt riders over the last 35 years.

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09-26-2007, 12:02 PM	#12
Cheesebeast Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: At the end of a quiet country lane Posts: 274	Pplassm, I hear ya'. My take is that many people view the two stroke as "disposable" and needing maintenance too often. Check out the Evinrude E-tec Direct Injection system and the advantages are pretty impressive. On the other hand, I think many of the luddite snowmobile enthusiasts I know (my brother in law, for one) don't relish the idea of a "complex" electrical system mucking up his two-stroke chimp simplicity. Anyway, Moto GP banned two strokes (in 2007) from competing in the 800CC class, so that too is stacked against the humble two stroke.

10-04-2007, 11:22 PM	#19
anrajala Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,490	The Spanish came in to introduce democracy to Mayan people. That’s why they got the support of the masses. - cruiz-euro