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pplassm 09-26-2007 11:36 AM

I respectfully disagree. I believe the riding public at large is sold on the notion that 2 strokes are filthy devices with narrow powerbands that make the motorcycles they are in hard to ride.

I submit, as evidence, the demise of the 2-stroke in the off-road motorcycle world. Yes, 4-strokes are given a hefty displacement advantage (soon to be revised from what I hear), but the reason they were developed in the first place was to answer customer demand.

It doesn't matter that a similar sized 2-stroke is lighter, more powerful, and can have a powerband just as broad as a 4-stroke (Ridden a late model 300XC-W lately?). The majority believe "Four strokes truck and two strokes suck".

Disclaimer: I have no "facts and/or data" to back this up, just impressions from discussions with other dirt riders over the last 35 years.

Cheesebeast 09-26-2007 12:02 PM

Pplassm, I hear ya'. My take is that many people view the two stroke as "disposable" and needing maintenance too often.

Check out the Evinrude E-tec Direct Injection system and the advantages are pretty impressive. On the other hand, I think many of the luddite snowmobile enthusiasts I know (my brother in law, for one) don't relish the idea of a "complex" electrical system mucking up his two-stroke chimp simplicity.

Anyway, Moto GP banned two strokes (in 2007) from competing in the 800CC class, so that too is stacked against the humble two stroke.

The_AirHawk 09-26-2007 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Cheesebeast (Post 169943)
You can't run. You can't hide. Cthulhu knows when you are sleeping. He knows when you are awake. He knows if you been bad or good and he will eat you just THE SAME.

It is as Naughty as it wants to be........

Kenneth_Moore 09-27-2007 04:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Cheesebeast (Post 169943)
I am pleased you all seem to be taking the news in such a positive light. I, for one, wailed and offered mute supplication for tender mercy when I received the loathsome vision of what the future holds for us poor mortals.


It's hard to get too alarmed about stuff anymore, given that by all rights I should have been dead at least three already.
Bring it on!

seruzawa 09-27-2007 06:10 AM

Yikes!
 
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Originally Posted by pplassm (Post 169942)
I was never a boot. I was a plebe.

Even worse.

sarnali2 09-27-2007 07:16 AM

a relitive handfull of Spaniards with Rapiers, Swivel Guns and matchlock rifles and pistols kicked the sh*t out of them last time. What do we have to worry about?

seruzawa 09-27-2007 09:42 AM

I wouldn't worry about....
 
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Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore (Post 169930)
Ok, I want to be on the team that isn't: "hapless masses who are lucky enough to survive the Mayan onslaught"

.... any Mayan onslaughts.

Stone knife? Meet my friend FnFAL.

pushrod 09-27-2007 01:31 PM

Well- rapiers, swivel guns, matchlock rifles and pistols, and a bunch of very effective microbes...

anrajala 10-04-2007 11:22 PM

The Spanish came in to introduce democracy to Mayan people. That’s why they got the support of the masses.

- cruiz-euro


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