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Old 07-25-2007, 08:10 PM   #11
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When the general economy is tanking and people don't have as much disposable income due to bad mortgages, pricier gas and thus pricier everything, I'm not surprised powersport (i.e., recreational vehicles) sales are down. MO riders might not think motos are mere rec vehicles, since we're *****s for the 2-wheel fun, but for many they're just playthings to buy when times are flush.
The rest of the United States thinks we're all nuts - "buyin' an' ridin' that toy all-about when the economy is in the shape its in - at least you could have bought AMERICAN!!"

Hell, if it wasn't for motos, I couldn't afford to work at the job I have right now - 12mpg pickup and $3 gas would have broken me long-ago with a 70-mile round trip. I'm the sole-provider, and don't even make as much as The Wife and I did 10-years ago combined.
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Old 07-25-2007, 09:07 PM   #12
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The rest of the United States thinks we're all nuts - "buyin' an' ridin' that toy all-about when the economy is in the shape its in - at least you could have bought AMERICAN!!"

Hell, if it wasn't for motos, I couldn't afford to work at the job I have right now - 12mpg pickup and $3 gas would have broken me long-ago with a 70-mile round trip. I'm the sole-provider, and don't even make as much as The Wife and I did 10-years ago combined.
.. I doubt that you guys have ever seen a bad economy if you think today's is bad. Maybe you listen to too much propaganda from those who profit from the fear-mongering.

It's funny how the economy hasn't change much since 1985 but it's reported as good or bad depending on which party is in office.

I usually figure out the economy by looking at the world around me, not by listening to the merchants of fear on the TV.
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Old 07-25-2007, 10:49 PM   #13
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What's biting people on the ass now is all those 2.5 and 3.5% ARM's from a couple of years ago. If you didn't have the sense to lock in when the rates started going up you're stuck with an 8 or 9% mortgage now. Sad but you have to pay attention, they didn't do those low rates because they wanted to and now their payback is from everyone who was snoozing.
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Old 07-26-2007, 09:30 AM   #14
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.. I doubt that you guys have ever seen a bad economy if you think today's is bad. Maybe you listen to too much propaganda from those who profit from the fear-mongering.

It's funny how the economy hasn't change much since 1985 but it's reported as good or bad depending on which party is in office.

I usually figure out the economy by looking at the world around me, not by listening to the merchants of fear on the TV.
It was tongue-in-cheek. The economy isn't bad. Just like when I was with Wal-Mart: if your Department didn't have a double-digit INCREASE over last year, you were in deep shyte with your District Manager if he was a "Numbers Guy" (mine was).

"What's this? You're up only 9.6%! What's the problem here? No, I don't care that sales are up, returns are down, or that backstock or merchandise "outs" are down"
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Old 07-26-2007, 10:41 AM   #15
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No doubt that the economy "looks" good.. But I contend among others that we are on borrowed time (and money).. Just how are we going to pay the debt off for the war? The fundamentals are bad.. Heck even Warren Buffet has said so. So has Alan Greenspan.. Too much debt, oil prices will never go down now that China and India are thirsty for it. Motorcycles are disposable income purchases in this country. The problem is that disposable income is about to take a hit.

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What's biting people on the ass now is all those 2.5 and 3.5% ARM's from a couple of years ago. If you didn't have the sense to lock in when the rates started going up you're stuck with an 8 or 9% mortgage now. Sad but you have to pay attention, they didn't do those low rates because they wanted to and now their payback is from everyone who was snoozing.
Yep that is what I am saying payback time is coming. Of course it will really start after W leaves office cause he just said he won't raise taxes.. but he keeps spending.. Bill Mahr has a pretty good comedy routine about this whole thing which can make even the dry economics of fiscal and monetary policy funny. i.e The democrats may be tax and spend but the republicans are borrow and spend..
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Yep that is what I am saying payback time is coming. Of course it will really start after W leaves office cause he just said he won't raise taxes.. but he keeps spending.. Bill Mahr has a pretty good comedy routine about this whole thing which can make even the dry economics of fiscal and monetary policy funny. i.e The democrats may be tax and spend but the republicans are borrow and spend..
A left wing comedian is an excellent source of economic analysis. You consult with Bozo the Clown for stock tips?
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A left wing comedian is an excellent source of economic analysis. You consult with Bozo the Clown for stock tips?
Buy stock in facepaint, rubber nose, and giant shoe manufacturers.............
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A left wing comedian is an excellent source of economic analysis. You consult with Bozo the Clown for stock tips?
He gets his insightful political analysis by carefully listening to Janeane Garofolo, another well-read political/sociological genius.
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Old 07-26-2007, 01:24 PM   #20
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It's funny how the economy hasn't change much since 1985 but it's reported as good or bad depending on which party is in office.
Perhaps you're not worse off, but ALL my friends and family -- young and old, rural and urban -- are worse off that 10 years ago. No job security whatsoever, loss of jobs (myself included) to downsizing, outsourcing and general corporate greed without concern for the future of American jobs/economy. I'm not listening to fear-mongering, I'm living it man. Kudos to you for still living the good life and found the right industry to work in, but for some it's NOT the same as a decade ago, with family having to move share homes (like turn of the century) to save our homes and get back to living basic.
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