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The_AirHawk 07-07-2010 07:21 PM

Why Does Everybody Hate Me?
 
I dunno, mebbe it's for money?

Leaked docs show Motorcyclist caved to advertiser pressure, fired editor - Hell For Leather

Everybody involved in this but Ford Sucks. Especially You.

Dr_Sprocket 07-07-2010 07:55 PM

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Originally Posted by The_AirHawk (Post 245147)
I dunno, mebbe it's for money.

Ya think?

One thing I learned in college: There is no purely objective reporting. None. Not even from the esteemed Mr. Ford.

seruzawa 07-07-2010 09:24 PM

So, let me get this straight.

1- It has been proven more than once since the 80's that Snell standards can transmit more force to the head. This is because Snell helmets are stiffer because they are racing standards and protect in high speed crashes. DOT liners are softer and can protect better at legal speeds but are contra-indicated for racing.

2- Ford's data, which is not new, enabled people to make the correct decision to buy DOT helmets for street/highway riding. This may have saved lives.

3- Helmet manufacturers who have been pushing Snell helmets as safer WHEN THEY ARE NOT then place pressure on Motorcyclist. To save face and protect ad revenue Ford gets fired. This includes the false charge that Ford was falsifying his data.

4- I knew there wasn't a reason I dropped that rag years ago.

Too bad that the mags forget that they are for the riders, not the manufacturers.

silentgrayfellow 07-07-2010 10:54 PM

I dropped it years ago after John Burns left. He was the reason I subscribed in the first place.

pplassm 07-08-2010 06:30 AM

Is this really news, though? I mean, I assume this goes on all the time.

acecycleins 07-08-2010 07:41 AM

I have those articles. Loved it. Fact is, regarless of the #1 bullet point of Seru, the Snell standards were not fit for heads of different sizes and that was the point of the story. There are thousands of kids that ride with those helmets on track and if the the force isn't dispersed properly based on their needs then the helmet isn't doing it's job. Ford was simply trying to make that point clear. Catterson caved. Shoie and Aria were playing politics instead of trying to question the methods and research the findings for the fixes needed to be better helmet manufacturers.
I quit reading Motorcyclist when JB left. Seems that the integrity of the magazine has slid down a dirty little reporting hole of being an advertising rag instead of a journalist inspired m/c handbook that it used to be.

seruzawa 07-08-2010 07:52 AM

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Originally Posted by pplassm (Post 245167)
Is this really news, though? I mean, I assume this goes on all the time.

Perhaps. But that's no reason to get apathetic about it. We're not talking about apple sauce quality here. A case could be made that Shoei and Arai are purposefully protecting a potentially dangerous product.

pplassm 07-08-2010 08:02 AM

I suppose. I prefer to think they are protecting their premium reputation. If anyone is a culprit here, it's the Snell Foundation. They are permitting helmets with 2005 certifications to be sold as "Snell Certified" until 2012.

IIRC, the article mentioned that only one of the premium manufacturers exerted the pressure. Any guesses which one?

seruzawa 07-08-2010 08:08 AM

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Originally Posted by pplassm (Post 245176)
I suppose. I prefer to think they are protecting their premium reputation. If anyone is a culprit here, it's the Snell Foundation. They are permitting helmets with 2005 certifications to be sold as "Snell Certified" until 2012.

IIRC, the article mentioned that only one of the premium manufacturers exerted the pressure. Any guesses which one?

True, but if companies can be successfully sued years later for doing things that absolutely no one thought was wrong or harmful at the time then Shoei and Arai would be better served in dealing with this issue rather than sweeping it away. Snell needs to pull it out as well.

Kenneth_Moore 07-08-2010 09:00 AM

What Does All This Mean?

That anybody with half a gram of sense reads material in the context in which it was written. If I read a glowing article on the New Can-Am Spyder Touring model that is in a magazine with a full-page, front - cover ad for the New Can-Am Spyder Touring model, I'm going to ask for a test ride, rather than basing my decisions on obviously slanted data.

The suprise in this story isn't that Ford got the boot. The surprise is that the article was ever published to begin with.


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