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New rules for 1000cc-era MotoGP class

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seruzawa · 02-17-2010, 12:36 PM

Hey great. Maybe they could determine the cylinder angle too. And the stroke, wheelbase, rake, trail........

Or better yet, how about inline mounted radial engines?

acecycleins · 02-17-2010, 02:31 PM

It makes sense to put the limits in place. If you run the same stroke and bore then the only tuning you have to do is fueling. That means everyone gets the same motors from the OEMs. For private teams this is a bonus. It will pull them much closer to the factory rides.

MOKE1K · 02-17-2010, 04:17 PM

Just from his statments you can probably imagine the rules in his era, "all right boys y'all over 15 right? Ok here's how it's gonna play out, your starting here and the first one that crosses this line, wins!

seruzawa · 02-17-2010, 05:13 PM

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Originally Posted by MOKE1K

Just from his statments you can probably imagine the rules in his era, "all right boys y'all over 15 right? Ok here's how it's gonna play out, your starting here and the first one that crosses this line, wins!

How about "1000cc limit"? Sounds good to me. No other requirements.

mscuddy · 02-17-2010, 07:44 PM

I thought they were supposed to be 800cc V fours? Where's the Kook when you need him?

The_AirHawk · 02-17-2010, 07:45 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa

How about "1000cc limit"? Sounds good to me. No other requirements.

But then...... HOW will the Two and Three-cylinder bikes compete with the FOUR and FIVE-cylinder bikes without weight-breaks and special milled-from-a-solid-block-of-Unobtanium (Gaddam you Avatar!) rotating and reciprocating parts?

MOKE1K · 02-18-2010, 03:52 AM

Teams continuing to use 800cc motorcycles in 2012 must meet a minimum weight of 150 kg (330.7 lbs.) while teams racing motorcycles with engine displacements higher than 800cc must meet a minimum weight of 153 kg (337.3 lbs.). Fuel tanks will also be capped at 21 liters (5.55 gallons).

7 lbs and 200cc more, that's it?That's not very much more added weight?
Seems like the same thing they did when the twostrokes had one more year to run, the 800 should get smoked. Change now or you won't have a chance.

acecycleins · 02-18-2010, 05:09 AM

"7 lbs and 200cc more, that's it?That's not very much more added weight?
Seems like the same thing they did when the twostrokes had one more year to run, the 800 should get smoked. Change now or you won't have a chance."

Seven pounds is a lot when your bike weights 330lbs and your rider barely breaks 130lbs. Remember, they're playing DMG rules with power to weight. I find it interesting that they will allow teams the opportunity to run "highly tunes production based motors". If they build their own chasis and pop in Superbike motors they're legal.
Weird but plausable. Fact is that most superbike motors hover around the 230hp range. Same with the prototype 800s. If the new prototype 1000s are restricted by rpms and build for endurance then all the bikes no matter the motor configuration will pump out between 230-240 hp. Then all you have to do is adjust the weight. Wonder if Edmondson is laughing at the race world now?

seruzawa · 02-18-2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by The_AirHawk

But then...... HOW will the Two and Three-cylinder bikes compete with the FOUR and FIVE-cylinder bikes without weight-breaks and special milled-from-a-solid-block-of-Unobtanium (Gaddam you Avatar!) rotating and reciprocating parts?

I'm talking MotoGP here which should be more of a free-for-all. Back in the 60's there were singles though sixes... two and four strokes. Why not again? Because the factories wouldn't like it.

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acecycleins Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Georgia Posts: 4,125	It makes sense to put the limits in place. If you run the same stroke and bore then the only tuning you have to do is fueling. That means everyone gets the same motors from the OEMs. For private teams this is a bonus. It will pull them much closer to the factory rides. __________________ "Slack" - a state of being in which everything flows smoothly.....a frame of mind so at ease that the universe naturally cooperates.

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MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,956	Just from his statments you can probably imagine the rules in his era, "all right boys y'all over 15 right? Ok here's how it's gonna play out, your starting here and the first one that crosses this line, wins! __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL" "The only thing limiting your bike, is you" We survived Bush you'll survive Obama! "the most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." --thomas sowell

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02-18-2010, 03:52 AM	#8
MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,956	Teams continuing to use 800cc motorcycles in 2012 must meet a minimum weight of 150 kg (330.7 lbs.) while teams racing motorcycles with engine displacements higher than 800cc must meet a minimum weight of 153 kg (337.3 lbs.). Fuel tanks will also be capped at 21 liters (5.55 gallons). 7 lbs and 200cc more, that's it?That's not very much more added weight? Seems like the same thing they did when the twostrokes had one more year to run, the 800 should get smoked. Change now or you won't have a chance. __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL" "The only thing limiting your bike, is you" We survived Bush you'll survive Obama! "the most fundamental fact about the ideas of the political left is that they do not work. therefore we should not be surprised to find the left concentrated in institutions where ideas do not have to work in order to survive." --thomas sowell Last edited by MOKE1K : 02-18-2010 at 03:59 AM.

02-18-2010, 05:09 AM	#9
acecycleins Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: North Georgia Posts: 4,125	"7 lbs and 200cc more, that's it?That's not very much more added weight? Seems like the same thing they did when the twostrokes had one more year to run, the 800 should get smoked. Change now or you won't have a chance." Seven pounds is a lot when your bike weights 330lbs and your rider barely breaks 130lbs. Remember, they're playing DMG rules with power to weight. I find it interesting that they will allow teams the opportunity to run "highly tunes production based motors". If they build their own chasis and pop in Superbike motors they're legal. Weird but plausable. Fact is that most superbike motors hover around the 230hp range. Same with the prototype 800s. If the new prototype 1000s are restricted by rpms and build for endurance then all the bikes no matter the motor configuration will pump out between 230-240 hp. Then all you have to do is adjust the weight. Wonder if Edmondson is laughing at the race world now? __________________ "Slack" - a state of being in which everything flows smoothly.....a frame of mind so at ease that the universe naturally cooperates.