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Old 09-09-2009, 04:15 PM   #11
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So what is the problem with Auto transmissions?

Just like the hate for trikes, whats the issue? Especially since it seems that the big scooters are ok (Silverwing Burgman MP3) but for some reason when the engine is in your crotch its not ok, but if its under your ass it is?

Sorry guys i dont get it. As for LIKING to shift with your foot... The mana still has a foot level, just no clutch. Same with the Can-am spyder.

So really all motorcycle riders are uber-conservative about their rides? I also dont get the fact that you have a CHOICE its not like they're telling you you HAVE to buy a bike with an auto, hell every bike out there (save the mana) that offers an auto or semi-auto offers a manual version too.

As for lane splitting/sharing, I don't like it. People do it in PA, we tend to call them assholes because really its illegal here. and regardless of the penaltys we've all learned that all a cager has to say is "I didn't see them" to get away with ANYTHING against a biker. Not that i dont think its a bad idea in general i think its a bad idea to institute it in any place where its not currently legal.
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Old 09-09-2009, 05:41 PM   #12
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Hell, I like auto-clutches, on Cushmans, Go Devils & Taco 99 mini bikes. For some reason automatic full sized motorcycles are flops. Like the 750 Honda auto, and the 360T Honda auto, the Rokon, the Rabbit, the Salsbury, etc.etc.

Just a fact of life there Mr. Ringtone.
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Old 09-09-2009, 05:56 PM   #13
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It's a marketing thing. If they "option" it they don't have to build a ton of them to make money. It's an evolution thing. That's it.
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Old 09-09-2009, 06:00 PM   #14
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If you're gonna have an automated manual, the dual clutch is the way to go. I had a BMW (car) with the Sequential Manual Gearbox (like the Yamaha FJR) and it had a single clutch and it sucked.

It was easy to fool the computer at low speeds and you were jerking around like you just learned to drive.

Many of the high-end car companies offer dual clutch automated manuals now and they kick ass.
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:18 AM   #15
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As far as I know,that's only not-illegal in California. I don't think there's much luck getting that type of law passed anywhere else in the U.S. I saw another motorcycle pass by riding on the shoulder past all the other traffic waiting to get onto the onramp/transition; he got away with it, but I don't like taking chances (of getting a ticket) like that.
In South Florida passing cars by splitting lanes is a personal insult and a challenge to the manhood of the cage driver. Even the female drivers. I've had them swerve over, open doors, one guy even threw his hamburger at me as I rode by. Unfortunately it had onions, so I didn't eat it. I keep the Givi bags on in part just so I can't split lanes...it's so tempting but so dangerous.
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:28 AM   #16
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In Europe, while lane splittting/sharing is not technically "legal", "filtering" to the front at stop lights is a very common, and widely tolerated.

Except, anywhere there is a concentration of Americans around. Kaiserslautern, Landstuhl, etc. have large bases, and the locals pick up the attitude from the 'Mericans and get all agro.

Kind of funny, actually.
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Old 09-10-2009, 05:44 AM   #17
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So what is the problem with Auto transmissions?

Just like the hate for trikes, whats the issue? Especially since it seems that the big scooters are ok (Silverwing Burgman MP3) but for some reason when the engine is in your crotch its not ok, but if its under your ass it is?

Sorry guys i dont get it. As for LIKING to shift with your foot... The mana still has a foot level, just no clutch. Same with the Can-am spyder.

So really all motorcycle riders are uber-conservative about their rides? I also dont get the fact that you have a CHOICE its not like they're telling you you HAVE to buy a bike with an auto, hell every bike out there (save the mana) that offers an auto or semi-auto offers a manual version too.

As for lane splitting/sharing, I don't like it. People do it in PA, we tend to call them assholes because really its illegal here. and regardless of the penaltys we've all learned that all a cager has to say is "I didn't see them" to get away with ANYTHING against a biker. Not that i dont think its a bad idea in general i think its a bad idea to institute it in any place where its not currently legal.
You don't need to call people who are cautious about something or maybe dislike it into "haters". One doesn't automatically hate trikes if he just doesn't like them. I think that the Spyders are kind of cool but they aren't motorcycles and I'm just not interested in something that takes up as much room as a small car but has none of the performance of a bike or the convenience of a car.

Same with auto trannies. In any case you can be the guy who beta tests Honda's dual clutch tranny. In a couple of years after the bugs (that always turn up) get fixed maybe the rest of us will consider one.
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Old 09-12-2009, 08:14 PM   #18
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I see it as the more options available, the better off the consumer will be. Bring on the automatic transmissions but keep the manuals too. Unlike the car world in the clutch pedal is slowly disappearing out of existence,I see manual motorcycles being around for a long time.

As for lane splitting, make it legal. As long as it's done responsibly, it's one of the many advantages of riding a motorcycle. If a bicycle in the city can lane split through traffic, why the hell can't a motorcycle?
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Old 09-13-2009, 11:34 AM   #19
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You don't need to call people who are cautious about something or maybe dislike it into "haters". One doesn't automatically hate trikes if he just doesn't like them. I think that the Spyders are kind of cool but they aren't motorcycles and I'm just not interested in something that takes up as much room as a small car but has none of the performance of a bike or the convenience of a car.

Same with auto trannies. In any case you can be the guy who beta tests Honda's dual clutch tranny. In a couple of years after the bugs (that always turn up) get fixed maybe the rest of us will consider one.

Btw guy, i wasn't JUST talking about people here, look up the info on this and the new VFR and lots of people are out there saying how its horrible cause "REAL BIKERS WOULD NEVER TOLERATE THIS CRAP!!!" *pounds chest* or "anything auto should never have left scooters"

Idk i just dont understand the attitudes of some people about change, don't we want MORE people riding bikes? its like the music i listen to most of the time when a ska or punk band gets big their "Selling out" dont we want the bands we like to do well , yea but if they get a big record deal screw them. WTF kind of attitude is that?
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Old 09-14-2009, 02:52 AM   #20
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Idk i just dont understand the attitudes of some people about change, don't we want MORE people riding bikes?
I want more people riding bikes; the way I figure it, every Soccer Mom whose husband rode to work is less likely to kill me because they're paying attention to bikes. However, if an automatic transmission is what brings people into riding, I'm just not sure that's a good thing. Expanding the population by lowering the bar could result in more news stories starting with: "A motorcyclist was ejected from his vehicle today... He was/was not wearing a helmet"
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