2009 AMA Superbike Daytona results

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2009 AMA Superbike Daytona results

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[seruzawa]

Man, longride must really be p!ssed right now.

[The_AirHawk]

He's just THAT Damn Good........

[Dr_Sprocket]

Pegram had to turn off his traction control, resulting in him falling out of contention for the race, eh? Another example FOR the notion that these safety devices (i.e. traction control, A/B/C mode buttons, slipper clutches, anti-lock brakes, etc.) are all designed to help the rider - who, no matter how good they might be, is inevitable fallible and will make mistakes.

Sorry, Moke. Looks like your boat's sprung another leak.

[seruzawa]

Originally Posted by Dr_Sprocket

Pegram had to turn off his traction control, resulting in him falling out of contention for the race, eh? Another example FOR the notion that these safety devices (i.e. traction control, A/B/C mode buttons, slipper clutches, anti-lock brakes, etc.) are all designed to help the rider - who, no matter how good they might be, is inevitable fallible and will make mistakes.

Sorry, Moke. Looks like your boat's sprung another leak.

Why learn braking? You've got ABS.... just jam 'em.

Why learn proper clutching/shifting? You've got slipper clutches... just dump it.

Why learn to use the throttle properly? You've got traction control... just pin it.

Eventually the bikes will be computer programmed and unpiloted.

[Dr_Sprocket]

Originally Posted by seruzawa

Eventually the bikes will be computer programmed and unpiloted.

Same for cars, planes, trains, etc. Computers will take over, in the interest of "safety", which will eliminate or minimize human input (and mistakes). The question is... is that such a bad thing?

I saw an article several years ago about the Highway Department trying to develop some car/road interface where the car uses sensors placed on the road and in other cars to control speed. This was supposed to reduce the number of traffic accidents. I remember thinking to myself, "Why don't people just pay attention when they drive?"

It seems as if we (Americans) have taken the responsibility off of the individual and foisted it upon the govenment.

[seruzawa]

Originally Posted by Dr_Sprocket

Same for cars, planes, trains, etc. Computers will take over, in the interest of "safety", which will eliminate or minimize human input (and mistakes). The question is... is that such a bad thing?

I saw an article several years ago about the Highway Department trying to develop some car/road interface where the car uses sensors placed on the road and in other cars to control speed. This was supposed to reduce the number of traffic accidents. I remember thinking to myself, "Why don't people just pay attention when they drive?"

It seems as if we (Americans) have taken the responsibility off of the individual and foisted it upon the govenment.

I haven't. I've fought and written letters and called my reps to oppose intrusive laws many times.

I think you can see as well as any other intelligent person just where such a massive govt power would lead. You'd end up needing permission to drive to the local supermarket. You would never be able to just jump in your car and drive somewhere, but would need an approved travel plan signed off on by the environmental committee which would, of course, deny you that vacation to Yellowstone because of the need to conserve carbon, etc etc ad inifinitum.

[MOKE1K]

Originally Posted by Dr_Sprocket

Pegram had to turn off his traction control, resulting in him falling out of contention for the race, eh? Another example FOR the notion that these safety devices (i.e. traction control, A/B/C mode buttons, slipper clutches, anti-lock brakes, etc.) are all designed to help the rider - who, no matter how good they might be, is inevitable fallible and will make mistakes.

Sorry, Moke. Looks like your boat's sprung another leak.

Your truly lost arent you? The street and the track are two different worlds, spectator! A world that you'll obviously never really understand I guess. Beside's have you ever heard of being dependant on something.

And remember your argument was in giving a 1000 with a/b/c mode to a new rider, not a professional paid sponsored racer?

[seruzawa]

Originally Posted by MOKE1K

Your truly lost arent you? The street and the track are two different worlds, spectator! A world that you'll obviously never really understand I guess. Beside's have you ever heard of being dependant on something.

And remember your argument was in giving a 1000 with a/b/c mode to a new rider, not a professional paid sponsored racer?

Be that as it may, it still turns out that the dude lost, not because of his skill, but because some fancy gadget failed. The debate is over how much of this tech do we want in racing. Eventually you could develop enough technology to make the races entirely uninteresting. Where do we stop? I personally think the tech is starting to reach that point. Much more and the wins might be entirely dependent on tech and the riders will become more irrelevant. I'd hate to see that.

[MOKE1K]

Originally Posted by seruzawa

Be that as it may, it still turns out that the dude lost, not because of his skill, but because some fancy gadget failed.

Which is why I hate these items. One because people mistake them for being a learning tool for novices and secondly because racers become dependant on them to do the work. Imo the 500 era was the best. The bikes where barley controlable and deffinatly out of control.