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Old 02-17-2009, 12:57 PM   #11
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NO NO! The ball bearings control the rotation of the spin-dart, and if they're missing it will force the trundle pinion into the sprag, and cause the wiffle spring to get jammed into the nut job, and cause the motor to grenade.

Like I said, you have to get Honda tool number P/N OU812ID10T, find those ball bearings, insert them through the slot where the pinion nut was (I take it you removed the pinion nut?) back off the wiffle ball and at the same time twist the spin dart backwards (clockwise) and listen for the balls to fall into the correct detent queues. Then once that is done you can re-assemble the trundle-pin and you should be set. Also, very important, if a new wiffle spring is not used, you risk damaging the wet packing in the timer mechanisim.
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:05 PM   #12
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Well, two posts and... He's history!

Man, can we go through newbies, or what!?
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:07 PM   #13
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No, I have $500 for a bike. Had, that is!
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Old 02-17-2009, 01:07 PM   #14
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You guys are slipping. It used to be one and done and now it's two and they flew!
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Old 02-17-2009, 03:19 PM   #15
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The o-ring chains have a wider overall dimension than the chains available when the CB was built.
I've never noticed a difference - when I first changed the 525 non-O-ring chain that came on my Hawk (lo, these many days past), I recall looking them over for differences, but found none ('cept for the O-rings, of course). Later I changed to a 520 (sprocket size availability), and all that stuff has long-ago been recycled, so I can't go dig it up to double-check my memory (or anything I overlooked).

I found this website that gives a table for inner-diameters of links, but doesn't give any allowances for O-rings. However, it does mention the inner-spec for a 530 Moto chain is the same as ANSI standard #50 - which is typically non-O-ring. (table 1.9)

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I can't find it now, but recall seeing an illustration somewhere that showed how to find your chain spec by measuring the pin-centerline (pitch) of the outer plates, and the distance between the inner-plates for width. No allowances for O-rings, either.

All the US-Tsubaki books I (used to) have are just for Industrial drive chain - could never find any Moto specs in them, so they wouldn't help anyway.
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Old 02-17-2009, 06:37 PM   #16
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NO NO! The ball bearings control the rotation of the spin-dart, and if they're missing it will force the trundle pinion into the sprag, and cause the wiffle spring to get jammed into the nut job, and cause the motor to grenade.

Like I said, you have to get Honda tool number P/N OU812ID10T, find those ball bearings, insert them through the slot where the pinion nut was (I take it you removed the pinion nut?) back off the wiffle ball and at the same time twist the spin dart backwards (clockwise) and listen for the balls to fall into the correct detent queues. Then once that is done you can re-assemble the trundle-pin and you should be set. Also, very important, if a new wiffle spring is not used, you risk damaging the wet packing in the timer mechanisim.


I used the Honda pliers that came with the tool kit, is that what you mean? I couldn't get the nut off, you mean the brass one right? so I used my dads pipe wrench but it just rounded it off. I was able to get the rubber thing over it that goes behind the spring and then I put the spring on but from the other end so it fit. I only found 3 of the bearings is that enough or do I need all 5?
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Old 02-17-2009, 07:01 PM   #17
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I used the Honda pliers that came with the tool kit, is that what you mean? I couldn't get the nut off, you mean the brass one right? so I used my dads pipe wrench but it just rounded it off. I was able to get the rubber thing over it that goes behind the spring and then I put the spring on but from the other end so it fit. I only found 3 of the bearings is that enough or do I need all 5?
Yes, that should be just fine. Acctually as a redundant fail-safe the CB500 was meant to run with a loose spin dart/trundle pinion/wiffle spring.nut jobs and or the wet packing. Just top it full of Pep Boys Pure as Gold reclaimed 75 weight oil, and everything will fall right into place.

Don't forget the reverse when re-assembling the clutch hawser tweesel.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:29 PM   #18
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Yes, that should be just fine. Acctually as a redundant fail-safe the CB500 was meant to run with a loose spin dart/trundle pinion/wiffle spring.nut jobs and or the wet packing. Just top it full of Pep Boys Pure as Gold reclaimed 75 weight oil, and everything will fall right into place.

Don't forget the reverse when re-assembling the clutch hawser tweesel.
The guy at Pep Boys told me to put Slick 50 in there so it would shift better. By the way the clutch is hard to pull, I tightened the adjuster on the clutch and on the handlebar as tight as I could get it because the plates kept moving when I squeezed the handle. Now the cable is really hard to pull and it makes a squeaking sound and only moves a little. The bike sat outside in the rain for 15 years under a Ceder tree before I got it, Do you think the cable is rusty? Should I put some Slick 50 in there too? The green stuff is coming off already.
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Old 02-17-2009, 09:42 PM   #19
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You have been lulled into the "Slick 50 Paradox" by an unscrupulos salesman.

Yes, it might make your bike shift better, but what will it do to the environment when you finally pour the waste oil down a manhole cover with a transmission funnel, and it pours into the ocean?

Will seabirds not be able to get a grip on a fish, and eventually starve to death?

Will fish become so slippery, they slip right through the nets of fishermen, causing world wide fammine?

Will boats and surfboards become so slippery they slip through the water to the deep six, their pilots and riders caught off-guard by this malevolent concoction of teflon esters, snot and spit?

Stop the Slick 50 poisoning of our oceans! It's madness!

Use WD40.
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Old 02-17-2009, 10:10 PM   #20
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MY GOD YOU MAY BE RIGHT !!!!!!!! I'll go one better and use extra virgin olive oil, maybe Rachael Ray could sit on my face a wiggle while I try to pour it in........
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