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Old 02-27-2012, 01:02 PM   #41
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Welcome to the site, BrewMaster. You might want to check the post dates on any threads you comment on; this one has been dead for years.

At first try the "Active Topics" option at the top, then later use "New Posts" to stay current.
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Old 02-27-2012, 01:06 PM   #42
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Welcome to the site, BrewMaster. You might want to check the post dates on any threads you comment on; this one has been dead for years.
I realize that but there's still riders looking for that info so I figured I'd finally post the correct answer. The thread may be old but the information is still current.
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Old 02-27-2012, 03:33 PM   #43
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Typical Harley riders. Can't answer a question but they're full of opinions. And you know what they say about opinions.

The general rule of thumb is the trailer shouldn't exceed 50% of the wet weight of your bike unloaded. So if your bike is 750lbs wet then the max trailer weight shouldn't exceed 375lbs.

And yes I tow a trailer and yes I prefer the great outdoors to a hotel room with a TV and air conditioning. And yes I actually take my bike down gravel roads. And no I NEVER see any Harley riders where I camp because they are all in the Air conditioned rooms off the Interstate with the TV cranked to full volume 'cause they're half deaf from the noise their bike makes.

And that's where we like them.

I was going to buy a Harley but I thought I'd get something less expensive,
and quieter,
and more comfortable,
and more powerful,
and more reliable,
and better looking,
so I bought a Valkyrie.

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Old 02-28-2012, 05:14 AM   #44
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I realize that but there's still riders looking for that info so I figured I'd finally post the correct answer. The thread may be old but the information is still current.
The correct answer is: don't tow a trailer with a motorcycle. Get a sidehack or a car if you can't fit what you need in the saddlebags.
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Old 02-28-2012, 10:52 AM   #45
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The correct answer is: don't tow a trailer with a motorcycle. Get a sidehack or a car if you can't fit what you need in the saddlebags.
Wow. Ignorance rears it's ugly head again.

The correct answer is that YOU (The Spaceman) shouldn't pull a trailer because you are fearful of the consequences of being inexperienced. I understand. Fear is the underlying emotion behind most ignorance. And the usual response is to strike out at anyone who does what you cannot understand.

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Old 02-28-2012, 12:34 PM   #46
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Wow. Ignorance rears it's ugly head again.

The correct answer is that YOU (The Spaceman) shouldn't pull a trailer because you are fearful of the consequences of being inexperienced. I understand. Fear is the underlying emotion behind most ignorance. And the usual response is to strike out at anyone who does what you cannot understand.

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Yes, my 30+ years of owning and riding motorcycles than I can remember qualifies me as an inexperienced, fearful rider.

As soon as you see motorcycles coming from the factory with trailer hitches, get back to me. You can't install a trailer hitch on a bike without voiding the warranty. Why? Because the engineers who design motorcycles have better sense then guys who weld up hitches in the garage and hang them on their bikes. The ONLY factory trailer in our sport comes with a 3-wheeled vehicle; the Spyder.

Maybe a trailer would be ok if you put a CAR TIRE on the back of your bike first?

BTW: would you please share the source for your loading ratios? Was that on the AMA website, or perhaps the DOT?


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Old 02-28-2012, 01:20 PM   #47
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Yes, my 30+ years of owning and riding motorcycles than I can remember qualifies me as an inexperienced, fearful rider.
Well apparently with a trailer you are! And that's what I was referring to.

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As soon as you see motorcycles coming from the factory with trailer hitches, get back to me. You can't install a trailer hitch on a bike without voiding the warranty. Why? Because the engineers who design motorcycles have better sense then guys who weld up hitches in the garage and hang them on their bikes. The ONLY factory trailer in our sport comes with a 3-wheeled vehicle; the Spyder.
If voiding your warranty is your concern then by all means, don't do it. Don't put one on your car. They don't come with one from the factory either.


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Maybe a trailer would be ok if you put a CAR TIRE on the back of your bike first?
AHA! So maybe there are cases where youthink it's ok. Now you're coming around.

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BTW: would you please share the source for your loading ratios? Was that on the AMA website, or perhaps the DOT?
Honestly I can't remember where I got the numbers from. That was many years ago when I was putting the hitch on my bike. It was from DOT or maybe TC. I don't imagine AMA has an opinion.

You seem to be missing (or ignoring) my 2 main points.

1). The gentleman asked what the towing capacity was of his bike. Not whether he should do it or not. Or whether the horsepower would decrease. "What's my towing capacity?" Nobody gave him a straight answer. I did. Everyone was throwing out their opinions about why he should stay in a bloody hotel instead of pulling a trailer! Absolutely nothing to do with his question. Nothing.

2). Just because you think that pulling a trailer is dangerous does not make it so. Riding is dangerous. Pulling a trailer while riding is no more or less dangerous. Does speeding increase the danger? Of course. For some more than others. But "yes" for everybody. Does putting a sidecar on increase the danger? Absolutely! But with experience you get less dangerous. Does pulling a trailer increase the Danger. Yes. Once again - experience is worth a lot.

For you to unilaterally dismiss trailers is based entirely on ignorance and is an asinine statement.

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Old 02-29-2012, 05:25 AM   #48
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Look BW, I'm not going to beat this to death. I'll make a couple points and then leave it with: "if you want to tow a trailer, have at it. I won't be riding behind you when you do."

1. The car tire comment was a joke. IMO putting a car tire on a motorcycle is at least as much a mismatch as putting a trailer on one.

2. NO bike has a "towing capacity." If it did, it would be stated in the owner's manual. There may be somebody's claim or formula, but that's nothing more than a guess.

3. Plenty of cars come with trailer hitches, and even my subcompact has a line in the owner's manual stating trailers up to 1k lbs may be safely towed.

4. Yes, riding is dangerous. But a trailer takes the danger to a higher level because:
  • It negates the bike's best safety advantage: compact size with high mobility.
  • The braking system wasn't designed for the extra weight.
  • The hitch is putting dynamic loads on the bike's frame, swingarm, etc. in a manner never intended by the designers.

A lot of guys ride with flip-flops and tee shirts and get away with it. A lot do stunts on public roads. Some overload their bike without even adding a trailer. More power to them. I like to use equipment as it was designed and take every reasonable precaution for safety, not add needless risk because the ***** wants to bring along her hair dryer and 3 pairs of shoes.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:19 PM   #49
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Look BW, I'm not going to beat this to death. I'll make a couple points and then leave it with: "if you want to tow a trailer, have at it. I won't be riding behind you when you do."

1. The car tire comment was a joke. IMO putting a car tire on a motorcycle is at least as much a mismatch as putting a trailer on one.

2. NO bike has a "towing capacity." If it did, it would be stated in the owner's manual. There may be somebody's claim or formula, but that's nothing more than a guess.

3. Plenty of cars come with trailer hitches, and even my subcompact has a line in the owner's manual stating trailers up to 1k lbs may be safely towed.

4. Yes, riding is dangerous. But a trailer takes the danger to a higher level because:
  • It negates the bike's best safety advantage: compact size with high mobility.
  • The braking system wasn't designed for the extra weight.
  • The hitch is putting dynamic loads on the bike's frame, swingarm, etc. in a manner never intended by the designers.

A lot of guys ride with flip-flops and tee shirts and get away with it. A lot do stunts on public roads. Some overload their bike without even adding a trailer. More power to them. I like to use equipment as it was designed and take every reasonable precaution for safety, not add needless risk because the ***** wants to bring along her hair dryer and 3 pairs of shoes.
I doubt that a single bike manufacturer recommends the use of trailers. And not one trailer manufacturer will cover you if you crash.
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Old 02-29-2012, 12:32 PM   #50
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I doubt that a single bike manufacturer recommends the use of trailers. And not one trailer manufacturer will cover you if you crash.
Now THAT's the truth.

But I've done lots that wasn't recommended and my trailer was manufactured in Denmark in 1986. I don't think I'd have a path for recourse even if I wanted one. Which I never would. Nobody's responsible for my actions but me.

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