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Old 06-29-2007, 06:33 AM   #11
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Yeah, I've never understood the obsession with saving trees. We're more forested now than 200 years ago, and trees grow. Rather quickly.

Here in Maine, where private property means "You pay for it, but we'll tell you what you can do with it, which is 'nothing'", paper companies are always getting crap. This in a state with huge sections that are so unpopulated they're not named, they're numbered.

It would be great if people who liked telling other people what they can do with their property would pony up some dough to buy it and leave it undeveloped.
I worked with one of those trendy environmentalists freaks for a bit and I would on occasion poke her in the eye with some tasty info like "We're more forested now than 200 years ago".

She would just stammer, get agitated and yell "What about all of the roads!?”, essentially saying that roads take up a lot of space and cut into the cute cuddly forests.

I think more people need to fly or drive across country more often. The amount of open space and untouched land that is still out there is amazing.
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Old 06-29-2007, 06:45 AM   #12
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SOOOOO, how about that new Concours 14? Man, that's gonna be GREAT, don't you think? Can't wait to hear how Pete's ride goes this weekend!
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Old 06-29-2007, 07:51 AM   #15
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Well, actually trees grow back and the paper companies have their own forests for that purpose. Also, paper is fully biodegradable while circuit boards and microchips are toxic and the plastic lives forever.

So in the long run making paper is less damaging to the environment than making computers.
Pulp mills are notorious poluters. Also, how many pieces of paper are you talking about in order to compare polution from creating paper vrs polution from creating a computer? You can structure the argument to make either worse depending on how many apples equals an orange. Besides, we all already have computers, so you can use less resources, energy and tree, by looking at stuff online rather than buying a paper copy of them, not to mention it costs less. That's why companies are going to electronic invoicing, among other document types.
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Old 06-29-2007, 08:12 AM   #16
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SOOOOO, how about that new Concours 14? Man, that's gonna be GREAT, don't you think? Can't wait to hear how Pete's ride goes this weekend!
-I have never voted republican. Ever. Just because I disagree with Demos doesn't make one a Repub...Not a demo either, though.

Oh, and as far as I am concerned, the occasional political talk is fine by me. It's when it turns into screaming and insults is when it goes wrong. And I think that is the general feeling of the mods and the site in general. KPaul's issues were self inflicted more than anything.

I'm guessing A LOT of people are going to be disappointed in the new Concours. I have NO facts to back that up, though. But when I look at it it just screams of a bike that will fall short of everyone's lofty expectations. If it isn't "down on power" it will be "too heavy" or it will have something wrong with the suspension or runs too hot or the build quality will be poor.

Personally, if it isn't too big, it will seem like a good replacement to the Triumph Trophy. I loved the trophy and nearly had one if it weren't for a lame dealership with poor customer service.
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Pulp mills are notorious poluters. Also, how many pieces of paper are you talking about in order to compare polution from creating paper vrs polution from creating a computer? You can structure the argument to make either worse depending on how many apples equals an orange. Besides, we all already have computers, so you can use less resources, energy and tree, by looking at stuff online rather than buying a paper copy of them, not to mention it costs less. That's why companies are going to electronic invoicing, among other document types.
-Actually the protest of computer pollution comes from those who also protest all types of polution, including paper. Their complaint (not mine) on computers is that they are not recycled or biodegrade. The opinion is that computers use just as many, if not more, resources than paper due to production and ongoing energy uses. Claims are that the carbon usage (or whatever the hell it is called) is just as worrisome as paper usage. Whether this argument is correct doesn’t matter. It is still being stated as fact (whether that is accurate or not).

MY complaint is that EVERYONE is protesting EVERYTHING.

Keep in mind, the general feeling of motorcycles is that they are dirty...in some way, shape, or form. All it will take will be for some group to start complaining that most bikes are used as recreation (riding for the sake of riding) and that they should be more heavily taxed or restricted due to irresponsible usage (read: wasting energy).
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Old 06-29-2007, 10:31 AM   #18
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Actually, Seru and I are libertarians, and I think BrowningBAR is, as well. So, it's "libertarian rationalist fact-pointing-outting" that you must ignore.

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Actually, Seru and I are libertarians, and I think BrowningBAR is, as well. So, it's "libertarian rationalist fact-pointing-outting" that you must ignore.

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-Actually the protest of computer pollution comes from those who also protest all types of polution, including paper. Their complaint (not mine) on computers is that they are not recycled or biodegrade. The opinion is that computers use just as many, if not more, resources than paper due to production and ongoing energy uses. Claims are that the carbon usage (or whatever the hell it is called) is just as worrisome as paper usage. Whether this argument is correct doesn’t matter. It is still being stated as fact (whether that is accurate or not).

MY complaint is that EVERYONE is protesting EVERYTHING.

Keep in mind, the general feeling of motorcycles is that they are dirty...in some way, shape, or form. All it will take will be for some group to start complaining that most bikes are used as recreation (riding for the sake of riding) and that they should be more heavily taxed or restricted due to irresponsible usage (read: wasting energy).
Without paper, there can be no paper airplanes. Paper Airplane

My bike is extremely dirty, I guess I'm part of the problem.
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