Go Back   Motorcycle Forum > Motorcycle.Com General Discussion > Motorcycle General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 10-06-2008, 09:04 AM   #11
Kenneth_Moore
Registered Member
 
Kenneth_Moore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VIsiting the GIft Shop in the Pit of DIspair
Posts: 7,118
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by longride View Post
Ken, these aren't the kind of concessions we have to make to live in a larger society are they? If they are, I'm extremely disappointed!
It isn't easy, is it? Especially since you can't pack up the old Conestoga wagon and get the hell out of town anymore...it's just another town with the next set of concessions to be made down the road.

Space! Motorcyles in space! That's the answer!
__________________
www.kennethmoore.org
Kenneth_Moore is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements
Motorcycle Forum
Advertisement
Old 10-06-2008, 09:59 AM   #12
BrowningBAR
Snuggles

 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In a really, really, really old farmhouse
Posts: 4,369
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore View Post
It isn't easy, is it? Especially since you can't pack up the old Conestoga wagon and get the hell out of town anymore...it's just another town with the next set of concessions to be made down the road.

Space! Motorcyles in space! That's the answer!
I just plan on purchasing my own island.
BrowningBAR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 10:23 AM   #13
seruzawa
The Toad

 
seruzawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: 8501 ft.
Posts: 17,461
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by longride View Post
Ken, these aren't the kind of concessions we have to make to live in a larger society are they? If they are, I'm extremely disappointed!
I love that "concessions" argument. It's always made by people who want to take your freedom away but who have no intention of giving any of theirs away.

The more laws and penalties that are passed to MORE destabilized society is.

When it comes to these lawmaker types Jefferson's comment on the blood of tyrants becomes more and more apropos. They simply will not stop until everyone of us is in a shock collar or worse.

Anyone who thinks this thread is moving off the subject of motorcycles has limited intellect. Our sport is under assault as never before. all at the hands of those who would "save" us.

"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience."
-- C.S. Lewis
__________________
"Make no mistake, Communism lost a big argument - one we know today as the 20th century."
seruzawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 10:50 AM   #14
BrowningBAR
Snuggles

 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: In a really, really, really old farmhouse
Posts: 4,369
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by seruzawa View Post
Our sport is under assault as never before. all at the hands of those who would "save" us.
And this will continue to happen until everyone stops voting for the two main parties. Anyone that thinks any of this will change while you still vote Democrat or Republican is delusional.

I've had this same argument with gun owners. They will beat the drum of "A Democrat will take away your guns!" But, it is apparent that gun rights have been diminished during Democrat administrations and Republican administrations.

So, when people tell me I throw away my vote for voting for Libertarian I find it ignorant and insulting when the vast majority continue to vote for the same people that take and steal from you.

So, good luck to all of you who think Obama is a Muslim or that he will raise taxes. And good luck to those that think Palin is stupid or that McCain is crazy and old. Bottom line is if you hope for different results from your government you are wasting your vote when you vote for either main party.
BrowningBAR is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 10:57 AM   #15
Kenneth_Moore
Registered Member
 
Kenneth_Moore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VIsiting the GIft Shop in the Pit of DIspair
Posts: 7,118
Default

You make some good points there Zawa. In fact, the TSA is testing a bracelet right now that all airline passengers may be required to wear. It allows them to "Taze" anyone remotely from a control station or by using a laser pointer.

I'll stick by my comment that we have to make concessions to live in a larger society. Unless you're on a remote island living in isolation, you already have. You're using the highways and agreeing (in theory anyway) to drive on the right side of the road. Maybe your kid is in school and you bring him there on time.

Having said that, I have to agree, even as a "Liberal Democrat," that we've gone further than we should in invading personal liberties needlessly. I'm ok with laws preventing people from pouring toxic waste in my drinking water supply, but I'm not ok with anyone telling me I can't pour or inhale toxins down my throat if I wish.

The great thing about America was that we traditionally had a set of checks and balances that kept things under control; it was unlike anything else before or since. Now I think that system has been greatly dilluted by an Executive Branch that has far too much power. Locally, as the urban areas grow more crowded and resources and space shrink, dumbasses like Lopez get the support they need for their excessive laws.
__________________
www.kennethmoore.org
Kenneth_Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 12:14 PM   #16
longride
Super Duper Mod Man

 
longride's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Anywhere they let me
Posts: 10,479
Default

Ken, there is a huge difference between making a law to prevent people from hurting other people, and making a law to prevent me from hurting myself. We all know we need certain laws to keep order on the streets and highways. Nobody questions those. But when I get fined for not wearing my seatbelt, or I have to wear a helmet to ride my motorcycle, or people can't smoke on a beach, that is what I object to. I think the concessions we REALLY have to make are ones that say people can get hurt or killed in a free society without the need for laws to try to prevent every occurrence. Remember, if it only save one life........
__________________
I'm a knucklehead
longride is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 12:54 PM   #17
Kenneth_Moore
Registered Member
 
Kenneth_Moore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VIsiting the GIft Shop in the Pit of DIspair
Posts: 7,118
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by longride View Post
Ken, there is a huge difference between making a law to prevent people from hurting other people, and making a law to prevent me from hurting myself. I think the concessions we REALLY have to make are ones that say people can get hurt or killed in a free society without the need for laws to try to prevent every occurrence. Remember, if it only save one life........
We are in agreement. You said it quite well.
__________________
www.kennethmoore.org
Kenneth_Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 12:58 PM   #18
longride
Super Duper Mod Man

 
longride's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: Anywhere they let me
Posts: 10,479
Default

We are starting to agree way too much lately. I'm getting the willies! Besides, your just a dumb ass street rider that don't know shyt anyway.
__________________
I'm a knucklehead
longride is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 01:09 PM   #19
Kenneth_Moore
Registered Member
 
Kenneth_Moore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VIsiting the GIft Shop in the Pit of DIspair
Posts: 7,118
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by longride View Post
We are starting to agree way too much lately. I'm getting the willies! Besides, your just a dumb ass street rider that don't know shyt anyway.
I ain't buying no Knuck, so it ends here.

Actually, I was finished with my rant on Moke and then read your posts...and found I'd repeated what you'd said.

Now, about that vote in November....
__________________
www.kennethmoore.org
Kenneth_Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-06-2008, 01:56 PM   #20
seruzawa
The Toad

 
seruzawa's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: 8501 ft.
Posts: 17,461
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore View Post
You make some good points there Zawa. In fact, the TSA is testing a bracelet right now that all airline passengers may be required to wear. It allows them to "Taze" anyone remotely from a control station or by using a laser pointer.

I'll stick by my comment that we have to make concessions to live in a larger society. Unless you're on a remote island living in isolation, you already have. You're using the highways and agreeing (in theory anyway) to drive on the right side of the road. Maybe your kid is in school and you bring him there on time.

Having said that, I have to agree, even as a "Liberal Democrat," that we've gone further than we should in invading personal liberties needlessly. I'm ok with laws preventing people from pouring toxic waste in my drinking water supply, but I'm not ok with anyone telling me I can't pour or inhale toxins down my throat if I wish.

The great thing about America was that we traditionally had a set of checks and balances that kept things under control; it was unlike anything else before or since. Now I think that system has been greatly dilluted by an Executive Branch that has far too much power. Locally, as the urban areas grow more crowded and resources and space shrink, dumbasses like Lopez get the support they need for their excessive laws.
My point is that we have gone about 40 years beyond the point of more "concessions". And I stand by my assertion that, today, every demand for us to give up more freedom is simply a scam to enslave. These people will not stop until we are back in chains. Next up: Parents' debts passed on to their children. The banks, credit card companies and medical associations are already proposing such.
__________________
"Make no mistake, Communism lost a big argument - one we know today as the 20th century."
seruzawa is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off