Go Back   Motorcycle Forum > Motorcycle.Com General Discussion > Motorcycle General Discussion

Reply
 
Thread Tools
Old 01-16-2008, 11:24 PM   #11
sarnali2
Aging Cafe` Racer

 
sarnali2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sittin' down by my window, lookin' at the rain.
Posts: 8,719
Default

I said in the other thread I was going to go home and drink some gin so my opinion is somewhat biased but you're still entitiled to it. I personally thing that it's pretty obvious that the industry is in a down turn. Harley will weather it as they have for over 100 years, I for one will be glad when the suits and rubs move on, Harleys are either cop bikes or true believers like it should be. Should be some bangin' used deals within a few years. The boutique dealers are going to take it in the butt I'm afraid but I think those with good reps and practices will make it. I hope Victory can hang because thayve given it a good shot. The "custom chopper" industry is toast, stick a fork in it boys yer done. Triumph by dint of the fact that they're extremely competitively priced, get good milage and are all around neat bikes should do well. BMW and Ducati have always been niche players no changes there, I'm guessing the big four will trend back to more small displacement and commuter type bikes.

Those in it for life will remain, the dillitants and posers will move on to the next big thing, the big three US auto makers will take it in the ass for the third time over fuel efficient vehicles, get their lunch handed to them by the Koreans this time and still not get it....Our occupation of Iraq will continue for the next fifty or so years like it did in Japan and Germany as a buffer between Arabs and Persians, in other words business as usual.
__________________
"Carpe` Throttelum -Loud Suits Save Lives"

"He said he's farting because of his medication"...

Last edited by sarnali2 : 01-17-2008 at 08:09 AM.
sarnali2 is offline   Reply With Quote

Sponsored Links Remove Advertisements
Motorcycle Forum
Advertisement
Old 01-17-2008, 08:24 AM   #12
Kenneth_Moore
Registered Member
 
Kenneth_Moore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VIsiting the GIft Shop in the Pit of DIspair
Posts: 7,118
Default

So, here's the big question: do you see a sea change in the motorcycle industry's future, away from a lifestyle-accessory-oriented market and toward a commuter- and practicality-based market? Will public perception shift to see motorcycles as vehicles, and not toys?

No, I don't. The simple fact is that it's far too terrifying for most people to commute on US highways riding a motorcycle. Maybe people who need occasional surface street transportation will consider getting a bike or scooter (students, homestayers, etc.) but people who have to get on the Interstate in rush hour traffic are going to need cajones of steel to make that commute on a regular basis. And there just aren't that many of us who have them.
__________________
www.kennethmoore.org
Kenneth_Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 08:52 AM   #13
trenttheuncatchable
Founding Member
 
trenttheuncatchable's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 901
Default

Originally I got into riding because of the mpg factor. I haven't really seen much of a difference in the number of riders in my neighborhood, though. Most people would probably buy smaller cars than buy motorcycles. But you know how many SUVs and trucks are on the road, so they're probably skimping elsewhere.

By the way, for a motorcycle enthusiast, the mpg factor isn't all it's cracked up to be. We tend to like adding bikes to the stable, and insuring them can put a real dent in the pocketbook. Gotta have at least one, though. Time has split into two new categories: the time you're riding, and the time you're not.
trenttheuncatchable is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 10:46 AM   #14
akcarlson
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Posts: 110
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by mscuddy View Post
I'm seeing way more new scooters buzzing around Burbank lately, with everything from teenage girls to old coots piloting them.
This is interesting, because, as we know, trends in this country start on the coasts and move inward to those of us in flyover country. However, there is the weather issue to contend with in most places. That is, Burbank doesn't have it, and the rest of the country does. (For instance it's 35 degrees and raining in St. Louis today. I rode to the shop, but, shockingly, I didn't see anybody else on two wheels aside from the pedal-pushing hardasses.) But, I will be interested to see if the trend continues to grow on the left and right coasts.

Quote:
Originally Posted by mscuddy View Post
When you look back at the "old days" after WWII, when folks didn't have that much money to throw into a new car, or full sized motorcycle, the scooter industry was big business.
This is a good point, and an interesting one. I'm not hip on my recent global economic history, but I know that several years ago, the scooter craze in Europe seemed all but unstoppable. Can anyone tell me if that correlated to an economic slow spot in the EU or UK?

In Post WWII Europe, particularly Germany, the economy was so poor that sidecars necessarily became the main mode of transport for entire families. As they came out of their post-war slump, sidecars were seen as poor-man's transportation, and lost a lot of favor in the market.

I'll be curious to see if history repeats itself in this case.

Last edited by akcarlson : 01-17-2008 at 10:49 AM.
akcarlson is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 10:58 AM   #15
12er
Founding Member
 
12er's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: SF
Posts: 2,801
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kenneth_Moore View Post
So, here's the big question: do you see a sea change in the motorcycle industry's future, away from a lifestyle-accessory-oriented market and toward a commuter- and practicality-based market? Will public perception shift to see motorcycles as vehicles, and not toys?

No, I don't. The simple fact is that it's far too terrifying for most people to commute on US highways riding a motorcycle. Maybe people who need occasional surface street transportation will consider getting a bike or scooter (students, homestayers, etc.) but people who have to get on the Interstate in rush hour traffic are going to need cajones of steel to make that commute on a regular basis. And there just aren't that many of us who have them.
Mine shriveled up, I ride the train to work now. 60 miles of lane splitting a day just adds to the already crazy stress I get at work.
12er is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 11:15 AM   #16
Kenneth_Moore
Registered Member
 
Kenneth_Moore's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: VIsiting the GIft Shop in the Pit of DIspair
Posts: 7,118
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by 12er View Post
Mine shriveled up, I ride the train to work now. 60 miles of lane splitting a day just adds to the already crazy stress I get at work.
I actually have a comparatively "sane" commute to work: about 20 miles one way with a 70/30 mix of Turnpike/Interstate and surface streets. But recently I've found myself wondering if whatever joy I get out of the ride is worth the increased risk of riding during rush hour. Compared to taking a ride on the weekend or evenings, it's far more frantic. Yes, I continue to commute, but I wonder...
__________________
www.kennethmoore.org
Kenneth_Moore is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 12:26 PM   #17
bbtowns
Founding Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Posts: 540
Default

Given that I don't see the number of SUV's and giant pickups declining on the roads, I unfortunately think people aren't thinking about bikes, despite the far better economy they could achieve. I was the only motorcycle I saw commuting to work this morning. It was 26 out, but still there are usually a few. I hope Americans see the light and start to move to more efficient vehicles, but $3/gal gas isn't making it happen.
bbtowns is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 12:38 PM   #18
sarnali2
Aging Cafe` Racer

 
sarnali2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Sittin' down by my window, lookin' at the rain.
Posts: 8,719
Default

I certainly don't enjoy commuting on the bike, I consider it useless wear and tear. Unfortunatly my whole deal is based on riding to work as much as possible. In the winter months...(you know Ken, when it's below 70 degrees)... and I'm stuck driving all month @ $3.20 a gallon my gas bill is nearly $650. I simply can't afford that over a long period of time. Plus I can use the carpool lanes on the bike and shave 15 minutes at least off my time. The commute itself is a mix of backroad freeway and surface streets so while it can be a challange, it's not the worse possible drive. Besides at least I get an 80 mile ride in a day ......
__________________
"Carpe` Throttelum -Loud Suits Save Lives"

"He said he's farting because of his medication"...
sarnali2 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 04:06 PM   #19
sfcdjevans
Registered Member
 
sfcdjevans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: 43.47N-76.48W
Posts: 956
Default

I confess that I am currently engaged in map recons to avoid the intersection of Rte 81,Rte 481 and I think 11 is in there as well just north of Syracuse when I return to commuting this spring. After I have passed this location, I consider it aerobic exersise, high pulse rate etc..., the rest of the journey makes me normal again, helps me leave work behind, ya know survivors high.
__________________
3425 miles from Reading, UK
Why their heads on a pike of course. If I thought it would do any good.
sfcdjevans is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 01-17-2008, 07:16 PM   #20
sachiwilson
Women Riders Moderator
 
sachiwilson's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: San Diego
Posts: 1,609
Default

I work at home. *sigh* All that great weather and no rides.
__________________
Frappé LaRue
*Safety Queen*
Are you a Rounder?

Sarnali: "what could be more useless than arguing with a deaf female lawyer????"
sachiwilson is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off