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giganto · 11-30-2007, 05:49 AM

Happy that Yammy Co makes that motor and wins the grunt contest easily...wish to hell they would do the same in the Silly Open Class Sportbike Needless Oodles of Power Realm, pant, drool, wheez, pant.
Nice article, read it all, even watched some video to figure out what in the hallowed heck the Raider looks like, since ad photos make it look awful.

seruzawa · 11-30-2007, 07:56 AM

They are all nice enough bikes if you are into cruisers. The HD and Yamaha are actually better buys than the Victory if you buy new. This is because the Yamaha is much cheaper. The HD is expensive as usual, but when you factor in the resale values the HD won't depreciate as ruinously as the Yamaha or the Victory. This makes the Victory the worst of both worlds... high cost & ruinous depreciation.

That's too bad because I like the Victories a lot and they are on the top of the list of motorcycles I will likely never buy. Their quality is much better than HDs IMHO. Too bad they don't hold value.

So, if I finally give in to my wife's preferences and go for a big twin it'll likely be a used Victory. You can get 'em cheap with low miles and they aren't Japanese... critical for owning a REAL cruiser.

BrowningBAR · 11-30-2007, 08:27 AM

Aren't you the one the beats the drum of "you don't buy a bike for an investment"? Which means you shouldn't worry about resale when buying a bike. Or you just buy used and not worry about that and buy the bike and half the price.

Kenneth_Moore · 11-30-2007, 08:44 AM

Wow, the multi-media content for this article is outstanding! Fonzie, very nice job with the photos, video, etc. It really adds a lot to the story!

pplassm · 11-30-2007, 09:44 AM

HOLY COW! A CR500 chopper! Awesome!

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Originally Posted by tomk2

I went to this a couple weekends ago... real choppers, not bland mass produced ****

Dirtbag Challenge

seruzawa · 11-30-2007, 12:37 PM

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Originally Posted by BrowningBAR

Aren't you the one the beats the drum of "you don't buy a bike for an investment"? Which means you shouldn't worry about resale when buying a bike. Or you just buy used and not worry about that and buy the bike and half the price.

...doesn't follow. Just because a vehicle isn't an investment doesn't mean you shouldn't use careful spending habits. I buy bikes because I love them. I try to consider future value because I want to have enough $ to buy more... and more... speaking of which I only have 5 now. Now that my daughter's gradyated I'll probably be looking for an addition around January when the prices are rock bottom. It'd be nice to have a new scoot for our tour to Valley of the Gods this spring.

giganto · 11-30-2007, 01:30 PM

..all i need is 7 motos.
All i want is twelve.
I would love to buy a used V, but as u stated, resale to continue This Habit plays a part.
Until i win El Gordo.
Or dancing with the Star(s).

anrajala · 12-01-2007, 03:13 AM

All these years I have been complaining about the lame-azz power of the HD. Everybody is like what gibberish is that idiot talking about again. Now its right there, first page: the dyno chart. Raider has 42% more torq. More torq at the idle than HD at any revs. Craploads more. End of story. Read no more.

Why it is that HD ignores the substance? What kind of MBA’s are running the company for chrissakes. Sure there are lots of brand-revering idiots out there who wouldn’t recognize a dyno chart even if it bit their leg - but still. 61 RWHP?

- cruiz-euro

seruzawa · 12-01-2007, 05:43 AM

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Originally Posted by anrajala

All these years I have been complaining about the lame-azz power of the HD. Everybody is like what gibberish is that idiot talking about again. Now its right there, first page: the dyno chart. Raider has 42% more torq. More torq at the idle than HD at any revs. Craploads more. End of story. Read no more.

Why it is that HD ignores the substance? What kind of MBA’s are running the company for chrissakes. Sure there are lots of brand-revering idiots out there who wouldn’t recognize a dyno chart even if it bit their leg - but still. 61 RWHP?

- cruiz-euro

The kind of MBA's who are making killer profits. That's what businesses are for. They sell to their particular public.

What's this constant whining about HP? Not everybody cares that much. Different people have different needs and desires. It's called a difference of opinion. Neither one is right, just different.

Chill.

opie · 12-01-2007, 08:16 AM

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Since the Raider has a 5 speed tranny and the others a 6, I was expecting you to tell us RPM at highway cruising speeds. Did I just miss it? Or does anyone know? Thanks.

11-30-2007, 05:49 AM	#21
giganto Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 159	harley looks best tho... Happy that Yammy Co makes that motor and wins the grunt contest easily...wish to hell they would do the same in the Silly Open Class Sportbike Needless Oodles of Power Realm, pant, drool, wheez, pant. Nice article, read it all, even watched some video to figure out what in the hallowed heck the Raider looks like, since ad photos make it look awful.

11-30-2007, 07:56 AM	#22
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	They are all nice enough bikes if you are into cruisers. The HD and Yamaha are actually better buys than the Victory if you buy new. This is because the Yamaha is much cheaper. The HD is expensive as usual, but when you factor in the resale values the HD won't depreciate as ruinously as the Yamaha or the Victory. This makes the Victory the worst of both worlds... high cost & ruinous depreciation. That's too bad because I like the Victories a lot and they are on the top of the list of motorcycles I will likely never buy. Their quality is much better than HDs IMHO. Too bad they don't hold value. So, if I finally give in to my wife's preferences and go for a big twin it'll likely be a used Victory. You can get 'em cheap with low miles and they aren't Japanese... critical for owning a REAL cruiser. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

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11-30-2007, 01:30 PM	#27
giganto Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 159	scores of bikes.. ..all i need is 7 motos. All i want is twelve. I would love to buy a used V, but as u stated, resale to continue This Habit plays a part. Until i win El Gordo. Or dancing with the Star(s).

12-01-2007, 03:13 AM	#28
anrajala Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,490	This is what I have been boring everybody silly about All these years I have been complaining about the lame-azz power of the HD. Everybody is like what gibberish is that idiot talking about again. Now its right there, first page: the dyno chart. Raider has 42% more torq. More torq at the idle than HD at any revs. Craploads more. End of story. Read no more. Why it is that HD ignores the substance? What kind of MBA’s are running the company for chrissakes. Sure there are lots of brand-revering idiots out there who wouldn’t recognize a dyno chart even if it bit their leg - but still. 61 RWHP? - cruiz-euro

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11-30-2007, 08:27 AM	#23
BrowningBAR Snuggles Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: In a really, really, really old farmhouse Posts: 4,364	Aren't you the one the beats the drum of "you don't buy a bike for an investment"? Which means you shouldn't worry about resale when buying a bike. Or you just buy used and not worry about that and buy the bike and half the price.