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Old 11-04-2007, 03:31 PM   #11
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BMW had the first production SSA's that I know of in the 80's K models. About the only thing Honda innovated was selling 50 million step thru 90's world wide. After Soichiro croaked Honda's innovation went into building Accords.
Glenlivets today? Bushmills?

Give Honda credit for a few things. The CB750 was purtty innovative. And just building 150cc motorcycles that would run coast to coast without mechanical failure.... while HD and Britbike owners were wrenching and cursing.... well that was pretty innovative. Can't knock Honda's GP battles with Yamaha in the 60's... probably the most exciting GP racing ever.

But, since Soichiro passed on it's pretty obvious that committes are running the Honda show now. Which is why Honda is about as about as innovative as HD these days.

But, I can't complain too much. The current crop of bikes are probably the greatest selection of quality merchandise industry-wide in history. Too bad the US market is overwhelmed with underwhelming sameaslastyearafteryearafteryear cookiecutteur race replicas and cruisers.
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Old 11-04-2007, 06:01 PM   #12
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BMW had the first production SSA's that I know of in the 80's K models. About the only thing Honda innovated was selling 50 million step thru 90's world wide. After Soichiro croaked Honda's innovation went into building Accords.
I'm not beating-time for the Honda Band here - I just happened to be amused by the inference that Honda was copying "current trends".

Have you ever compared the Triumph SSSA to the Honda Hawk's? The eccentric is interchangeable - no shyte. With only a small spacer, you can put the entire "guts" of a '90s Triumph rear into an '80s Hawk (or '80s/'90s VFR750/early VFR800) swingarm: eccentric, brake, wheel, etc.

I doubt any Honda SSSA parts will interchange with the BMW shaft-drive.
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Old 11-04-2007, 09:19 PM   #13
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I believe in credit where credit's due, Honda did come out with the single overhead cam 750 first, then Kawasaki trumped them a year later with the Double overhead cam, double disc Z1. Honda came out with a six cyclinder production bike...... right after Benelli...

Honda's put out some nice bikes like the Cub that own the third world transportation market. But I think the only real innovation they had was to split the crankcase horizontally instead of verticaly, everything else has been typical Japanese refinment of an existing design. Suzuki and Kawasaki have consistantly pushed the envelope from the start with bikes like the Bighorn, Z1, GT750 and RE5
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Old 11-05-2007, 05:41 AM   #14
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I believe in credit where credit's due, Honda did come out with the single overhead cam 750 first, then Kawasaki trumped them a year later with the Double overhead cam, double disc Z1. Honda came out with a six cyclinder production bike...... right after Benelli...

Honda's put out some nice bikes like the Cub that own the third world transportation market. But I think the only real innovation they had was to split the crankcase horizontally instead of verticaly, everything else has been typical Japanese refinment of an existing design. Suzuki and Kawasaki have consistantly pushed the envelope from the start with bikes like the Bighorn, Z1, GT750 and RE5
I didn't know it was the Kawasaki Goldwing and the Suzuki CX500! Thanks for the info.
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Old 11-05-2007, 08:01 AM   #15
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I'll grant you the 1000 GW was a new design but what's so innovative about the CX500? all they did was stick a water jacket on a Guzzi' and add electronic ignition. They tough little scooters no doubt, If Honda had any sense they'd still be making them. With todays gas prices they'd probably sell like popcorn at the movies.
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I'm all right. Insurance covered the ZX-14 and gave me a check for $2.44. I went out and scrounged up a 1998 Triumph T-Bird Sport for $3500. Low miles, but it has issues. It's kind of nice having an elemental motorcycle. It gets me groceries and around town. I don't worry about scratching it because it's already scratched.

I'm in college and I hate it. Corps wants me back; I may do a reserve thing. Who knows. How's everything in your neck of the woods? Still have your FZ6?

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I'll grant you the 1000 GW was a new design but what's so innovative about the CX500? all they did was stick a water jacket on a Guzzi' and add electronic ignition. They tough little scooters no doubt, If Honda had any sense they'd still be making them. With todays gas prices they'd probably sell like popcorn at the movies.
Remember how Honda corporate believes the V-Twin was an inherently inferior design? Plus the turbo thing sucked; I think that pos****ed the image.

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Old 11-05-2007, 08:50 AM   #18
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Wait, your bike was stollen (a brand new and expensive bike) and your insurance paid how much? If that number you typed is accurate, why is that the case?
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:29 PM   #19
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That CB1100R is beautiful.
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Old 11-05-2007, 12:52 PM   #20
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I'm all right. Insurance covered the ZX-14 and gave me a check for $2.44. I went out and scrounged up a 1998 Triumph T-Bird Sport for $3500. Low miles, but it has issues. It's kind of nice having an elemental motorcycle. It gets me groceries and around town. I don't worry about scratching it because it's already scratched.

I'm in college and I hate it. Corps wants me back; I may do a reserve thing. Who knows. How's everything in your neck of the woods? Still have your FZ6?

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P.S. Why am I no longer a premium founding member? Not like it matters but I'm curious.
Hate college, eh? Don't like being surrounded by the "brightest and best" who know everything even though they've never actually been anywhere or done anything?
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