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Old 09-20-2007, 07:50 AM   #121
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No kidding! I just picked up a decent Concours for $2k!
My $900 Concours has been awesome! It looks like new, runs like a watch, and is the perfect counterpart to the Shovelhead! I did have to replace the radiator hoses (who knew anti-freeze is slick as oil? I didn't!!) and have the alternator rebuilt, but sheese, I suspect this thing will run for years to come.
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Old 09-20-2007, 07:58 AM   #122
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Has anyone noticed that the current-model Dodge Ram and Chevy/GMC at a glance can't be told one from the other when approaching them from behind, unless you look at the badging?
Actually, no. Who cares?

Throughout the history of automobile styling there have been a smaller number of original designs that have been shamelessly copycatted by the thousands. Look at Dodge's shameless rip of Mercedes back in the 80's. Everyone tries to make their sports car look like an MGB or an XKE. Motorcycles follow that rule as well. Why not? It's what sells. That's what the companies are in business for. Yamaha would be completely stupid to not copy Harley.

As far as the "copycat" argument goes. Who cares? I used to own HDs back when (and this is a large motivation) few people owned them. Like it or not appearing individualistic is part of the mystique. Well, now that HDs are as common as fruit flies the big Yamaha cruisers are more the rarity.

If individualism is your goal then the individualists of today are riding UJMs.

All motorcycle design traces back to the French anyhow as we have learned this week.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:10 AM   #123
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Hey, cool, this thread is just like the old days of MO. Lots of fine bickering.

Way, way back there was some discussion about Corvette copies. I don't know about who might have copied the Vette, but Chev must have gotten their inspiration for the latest Corvette from somewhere....




Yeah, I have lots of trouble picking out a C6 Vette from a Viper.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:14 AM   #124
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If individualism is your goal then the individualists of today are riding UJMs.
You mean all those 'individualists' are riding motorcycles that were exact copies of each other except for badging? Wouldn't we call those people 'Universal Japanese Motorcyclists'?
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:21 AM   #125
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You mean all those 'individualists' are riding motorcycles that were exact copies of each other except for badging? Wouldn't we call those people 'Universal Japanese Motorcyclists'?
Now you know the secret. There aren't any individualists. No matter which type of bike you buy it won't set you apart. Every sector of motorcycle styling has been beaten totally to death. Shhhhhh. Don't tell anybody.
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:22 AM   #126
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Yeah, I have lots of trouble picking out a C6 Vette from a Viper.
Since they are all only copying XKE's and Cobras in the first place, who cares?
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Old 09-20-2007, 08:24 AM   #127
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Now you know the secret. There aren't any individualists. No matter which type of bike you buy it won't set you apart. Every sector of motorcycle styling has been beaten totally to death. Shhhhhh. Don't tell anybody.
I think the scooter guys have that individual think covered.
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Yeah I see what you mean. Last time I was a Universal Japanese Motorcyclist I was wheeling around on a grandissima cruiser with a liquid cooled V-4 and four giant chromium exhaust pipes. Then I changed to V-2 which was good because I am much more individual now.

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I think the scooter guys have that individual think covered.
Maybe they did until yesterday. They are all over the place now too.
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Yeah I see what you mean. Last time I was a Universal Japanese Motorcyclist I was wheeling around on a grandissima cruiser with a liquid cooled V-4 and four giant chromium exhaust pipes. Then I changed to V-2 which was good because I am much more individual now.

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