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Old 03-09-2012, 12:50 AM   #21
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Yes, but that weight is Italian curves vs. German thickness..

I mean, just look at those perky jugs on the Griso! That's where a lot of the weight is, and who here doesn't like big Italian perky jugs?
Hey, you don't have to convince my eyes that the Guzzi is the prettier machine! It's a Diavel before there was a Diavel.
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Old 03-10-2012, 09:45 AM   #22
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Very much looking forward to the evaluation of the 650GT by comparison! Sounds like it might be the ultimate touring machine for those who don't feel the need for the big power and big weight of touring bikes like the GL or K1600.
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Old 03-10-2012, 01:52 PM   #23
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Yes, but that weight is Italian curves vs. German thickness..

I mean, just look at those perky jugs on the Griso! That's where a lot of the weight is, and who here doesn't like big Italian perky jugs?


Your judgement may be a tad askew but I have to agree on the perky uplifted Italian jugs, I would have chosen the Stelvio or Norge` but that's just me....
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I was reading an article about these scooters last night. They interviewed the BMW Product Manager, and he went on at length about "how easy" it is to use a scooter. He said: "I don't have to put on all my gear to go riding." And a lot of scooter riders don't; I see them all the time around here with shorts, t-shirts, sometimes with helmets, more often without.

I have to wonder if it's a good idea for BMW to promote a 100+ mph "scooter" as a vehicle that doesn't require "all the gear." I really don't think the pavement cares what type of vehicle you flew off of when you land on it at speed. Bopping around the beach on a traditional scooter is one thing, but 650cc and 60 horsepower motorbikes don't really fit that scenario.
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Old 11-06-2012, 08:14 AM   #25
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I was reading an article about these scooters last night. They interviewed the BMW Product Manager, and he went on at length about "how easy" it is to use a scooter. He said: "I don't have to put on all my gear to go riding." And a lot of scooter riders don't; I see them all the time around here with shorts, t-shirts, sometimes with helmets, more often without.

I have to wonder if it's a good idea for BMW to promote a 100+ mph "scooter" as a vehicle that doesn't require "all the gear." I really don't think the pavement cares what type of vehicle you flew off of when you land on it at speed. Bopping around the beach on a traditional scooter is one thing, but 650cc and 60 horsepower motorbikes don't really fit that scenario.
On the one hand, yes, ATGATT is obviously the more defensible position for safety at first glance, but the fact is that it makes motorcycling noticeably less convenient and accessible. Everyone needs to do their own risk calculus, and we need to include the cost of people not riding and driving their SUVs to work instead due to gear when we think about that. There are days I don't ride the bike because I'm wearing the wrong shoes and don't want to wear boots and carry a pair of shoes, or put on an armored riding jacket over an unwrinkled dress shirt.

A scooter shields your feet and knees from flying debris, so while yes, you would be less protected in a get off, you can wear dress shoes and slacks to work without needing to change, etc., and if that puts you on a scooter instead of in your truck, this may be better for both the rider and the rest of us as well. Just a counter-thought to the usual mantra which dictates that riding to work in anything less than full body armor is heresy.
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. Everyone needs to do their own risk calculus. Just a counter-thought to the usual mantra which dictates that riding to work in anything less than full body armor is heresy.
Indeed. Full gear will, of course, offer you the best protection, and it's what we always recommend. But it's a free country, so it's thankfully up to the individual to decide for themselves what to wear.
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Agreed, I dress for the weather. ATGATT in the wet and cold, jeans and a shirt in the summer but always with a helmet and gloves. My life and my choice.....
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