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Old 02-08-2012, 05:05 AM   #41
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I really don't see any manufacturer in any better position than Harley. I'd worry more about BMW. I'd bet several paychecks that a survey of 20-somethings would yield far more interest in H-D than BMW by a factor of about 20 to 1.
You're joking. BMW has been one of two or three manufacturers actually growing since the Bush Recession financial collapse of 08. Harley is closing dealerships, closing or cutting back manufacturing, took bailout money, bleeding capital like a stuck pig.

Do you ANY evidence to support this position, or did God send you a message while you were in prayer?
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:40 AM   #42
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You're joking. BMW has been one of two or three manufacturers actually growing since the Bush Recession financial collapse of 08. Harley is closing dealerships, closing or cutting back manufacturing, took bailout money, bleeding capital like a stuck pig.

Do you ANY evidence to support this position, or did God send you a message while you were in prayer?
I'm sure he will.

Now you explain how BMW is growing with that youth demographic you keep yammering about.

They ain't buying $26,000 motorcycles in the Obanomy. I can tell you that!
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Old 02-08-2012, 05:52 AM   #43
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Kmo's drivel is always so wrong:

Harley Beats, Annual Profit Doubles
Harley-Davidson Inc. (NYSE:HOG - News) posted a profit of $54.6 million or 24 cents per share in the fourth quarter of 2011 in sharp contrast to a loss of $42.1 million or 18 cents per share in the same quarter of 2010. The profit was higher than the Zacks Consensus Estimate of 22 cents per share.
For the full year 2011, Harley’s profit more than doubled to $548.1 million or $2.33 per share from $259.7 million or $1.11 per share in 2010. The profit was close to the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $2.34 per share.
The improvement in profits was attributable to the company’s strong motorcycle sales and rebound in consumer confidence in the U.S.

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Old 02-08-2012, 07:51 AM   #44
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They ain't buying $26,000 motorcycles in the Obanomy. I can tell you that!
No, they're buying $13,000 S1000RRs as fast as BMW can ship them. I be telling you dat's right!
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Old 02-08-2012, 07:52 AM   #45
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Kmo's drivel is always so wrong:

Harley Beats, Annual Profit Doubles
Harley-Davidson Inc. (NYSE:HOG - News) posted a profit of $54.6 million or 24 cents per share in the fourth quarter of 2011 in sharp contrast to a loss of $42.1 million or 18 cents per share in the same quarter of 2010. The profit was higher than the Zacks Consensus Estimate of 22 cents per share.
For the full year 2011, Harley’s profit more than doubled to $548.1 million or $2.33 per share from $259.7 million or $1.11 per share in 2010. The profit was close to the Zacks Consensus Estimate of $2.34 per share.
The improvement in profits was attributable to the company’s strong motorcycle sales and rebound in consumer confidence in the U.S.

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Harley Beats, Annual Profit Doubles - Yahoo! Finance
Brilliant. 1 quarter of good results versus 3 straight years of losses. Your financial saavy is matched only by your political insight.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:57 PM   #46
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You're joking. BMW has been one of two or three manufacturers actually growing since the Bush Recession financial collapse of 08. Harley is closing dealerships, closing or cutting back manufacturing, took bailout money, bleeding capital like a stuck pig.

Do you ANY evidence to support this position, or did God send you a message while you were in prayer?
Number one, I'm an atheist. Number two, stop moving the goalposts. First you cite an isolated statistic as some kind of proof that Harley is dying as its customers age and it designs no products for the young. When that statistic is proved meaningless, you move on to conjecture ("Who is going to replace them, and are they going to be waiting in line to buy an Ultra or King like they were a decade ago? I think not.") When I counter that with my own conjecture about the future, you "disprove" it with (non-specific and unsupported) claims about current BMW sales.

You're chaotic.
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Old 02-08-2012, 12:59 PM   #47
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Brilliant. 1 quarter of good results versus 3 straight years of losses.
Sounds like GM.
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Old 02-08-2012, 01:50 PM   #48
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Brilliant. 1 quarter of good results versus 30 straight years of losses.
Sounds like GM.
Fixed that'n for ya'. THAT sounds like GM. Get back with me in another 27-years or so for Harley.


Somebody please tell me: How the HELL did GM survive for so long before bankruptcy?


(that was a rhetorical question, BTW)
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An old article now, but Warren Buffett invested 300M with Harley awhile ago. Note HOG was selling for less than $15 a share at the time, and now it is over $46 as share.

If one is interested in making money and the opportunity to do what Buffett does presents itself, by all means. I am sure he did will with Goldman Sachs. He nailed them even better than Harley, I think.

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Old 02-09-2012, 06:11 PM   #50
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No, they're buying $13,000 S1000RRs as fast as BMW can ship them. I be telling you dat's right!
Where can you buy a S1000RR for $13K?

Rumours have it that it is a loss leader for BMW...
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