Victory Vegas 8-Ball Project: "Evil 8" Part 2

[Morbo the Destroyer]

Maybe it was a Goofory Vicball...

[Sir_Angus]

Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke

No, we didn't try the 21 with the new fork. The idea was to go a bit sporty, and the 21-incher didn't suit that plan. Not sure if the CC shock would bolt on to the 8 Ball. Again, we went for simplicity. Your mileage may vary...

Admittedly, asthetics are a matter of opinion but boulevard cruisers have a certain shared DNA; a large diameter, skinny front is one of the trademarks. I can't imagine the average owner of a Vegas wants it to look "sporty" in that way. If someone did, why not just get the Hammer, mount a 180 or 200 rear and be done with it ... Essentially y'all created the same effect but spent a lot more money/effort.

While your at it why not clad it in a bunch of plastic and mount a canister exhaust?

Okay, so maybe no one @ Motorcycle.com thought about using the CC rear shock, but now the query is posed ... The excuse that you went for simplicity does a disservice to your readers (IMO). How about checking into it??

[kp1600]

Originally Posted by Sir_Angus

Admittedly, asthetics are a matter of opinion but boulevard cruisers have a certain shared DNA; a large diameter, skinny front is one of the trademarks. I can't imagine the average owner of a Vegas wants it to look "sporty" in that way. If someone did, why not just get the Hammer, mount a 180 or 200 rear and be done with it ... Essentially y'all created the same effect but spent a lot more money/effort.

While your at it why not clad it in a bunch of plastic and mount a canister exhaust?

Okay, so maybe no one @ Motorcycle.com thought about using the CC rear shock, but now the query is posed ... The excuse that you went for simplicity does a disservice to your readers (IMO). How about checking into it??

A 180 or 200 rear tire would be to narrow on a hammer, wouldnt look right with the wide rear fender and the seating is not the same as a vegas. All that would need to be changed plus paint. Plus there would most likely be hardware issues also and there are other small differances between the 2. I doubt you would save much if anything going that route.

This is a conversion done by several victory owners so its not unusual. Wouldnt mined doing this same conversion myself.

[Sir_Angus]

Originally Posted by kp1600

A 180 or 200 rear tire would be to narrow on a hammer, wouldnt look right with the wide rear fender and the seating is not the same as a vegas. All that would need to be changed plus paint. Plus there would most likely be hardware issues also and there are other small differances between the 2. I doubt you would save much if anything going that route.

This is a conversion done by several victory owners so its not unusual. Wouldnt mined doing this same conversion myself.

Thanks! That was my point exactly!

The TT swap makes sense but everything else seemed like they're trying too hard to turn the Vegas into a Hammer.

[Larry]

Good job so far. Now your project needs a motor like mine...



Displacement: 110 Cu In (1800cc)
Cases: Stock
Bore: 4.06" (103mm) -- stock + 2mm
Stroke 4.25" (108mm) -- stock + 6mm
Crank: S&S stroker - balanced
Rods: S&S stroker
Cylinders: Stock -- Re-sleeved w/Ductile iron liners
Pistons: Weisco 11:1 (11.2:1 actual)
Heads: Stock -- bowl-blended, port clean-up
Valves: Stock -- swirl polished w/3-angle seats, Andrews springs,low profile retainers
Cams: Lloydz VM-1 HP

Fuel Management: Dynojet PC-III
Throttle Bodies: Stock -- 45mm
Injectors: Stock
Intake Manifolds: Stock
Rev Limit: 6700 RPM
Exhaust: Bassani Road Rage 2-into-1
Compensator: Stock -- Polished
Clutch: Stock -- Barnett pressure plate/spring
Gearing: 2 teeth smaller front pulley (7% reduction)

[Larry]

Those Swoops pipes are THE single worst performing exhaust system known to man. Get out the sawzall. Evil-8 will never make power through that exhaust system. However, if you fill the Swoops with concrete they make a dandy boat anchor.

[Larry]

Originally Posted by The_AirHawk

As geezus Larry, give a rest fer crissake...

Think about it. With the suspension upgrades they have done and the additional front brake rotor/caliper they put on it so far, they have made the bike more capable of FUN. Now imagine riding that bike with 120+ ft-lbs AVERAGE torque from 2000 to 6000 rpm.

Every serious motorcyclist should experience a monster like that at least once. All day comfortable... plenty capable in curves for use on public roads... knocking on the 10-second door at the drag strip... 45 mpg... nice to look at... What's not to love?


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[Morbo the Destroyer]

Originally Posted by Larry

What's not to love?


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The fact that ultimately every "cruiser" is hobbled by an inefficient engine layout, grossly underpowered for it's weight and CC's, a total PITA for ergonomics, and easily run away from in the twisties by a measly Ninja 250.

Seriously, now that the Tuttles have completed their self-lobotomizations, why would anyone ever buy a "cruiser?"

[Kevin_Duke]

Originally Posted by Larry

Those Swoops pipes are THE single worst performing exhaust system known to man. Get out the sawzall. Evil-8 will never make power through that exhaust system. However, if you fill the Swoops with concrete they make a dandy boat anchor.

Yeah, we weren't impressed by the Swoops. We have since tried Victory's 2-into-1 collector system you'll read about in the next installment. I sure would like to try a mega motor like yours, but our build will unfortunately stop short of it.

[Larry]

Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer

The fact that ultimately every "cruiser" is hobbled by an inefficient engine layout, grossly underpowered for it's weight and CC's, a total PITA for ergonomics, and easily run away from in the twisties by a measly Ninja 250.

You should keep an open mind, it doesn't hurt a bit.

Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer

Seriously, now that the Tuttles have completed their self-lobotomizations, why would anyone ever buy a "cruiser?"

I fail to see the relationship between the abominations built by the Tuttools and "every cruiser". There's a whole universe of difference between the Evil-8 and a rigid framed 10' long chopper built by someone who is closer to an artist than an engineer.