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Dr_Sprocket · 02-16-2011, 03:22 PM

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Originally Posted by Buzglyd

The local BMW dealer has a used Ducati Streetfighter on the floor. It's got 3000 miles and $3000 worth of exhaust and accessories on it. THey're asking $12,995.

Buy it! Buy it now!

MotoCraze · 02-17-2011, 01:27 PM

Well, some people will like it, some not, it's the matter of taste.
But it is good thing it's here, it could push others to make similar bikes, which is good,... new class, more bikes, more competition = good for us!
I like Diavel, everything is cool, except the price.

Duken4evr · 02-17-2011, 04:14 PM

Japan could do this bike. Not as cool perhaps, but for $9,000 less and with the usual Japanese unbreakable reliability, it could have appeal.

Victory could do this. Who knows. Victory seems pretty progressive and they are not necessarily tied into a one dimensional engine offering.

To be fair, Harley tried this market quite awhile ago with the V-Rod. Harley likely feels rather burned by the V-Rod and it would be understandable if they believe that nobody bought it because it is not a traditional Harley. That may be. Traditional Harley riders are not V-Rod buyers, and a lot of riders are not potential Harley customers due to the strong brand image that is either highly attractive or not. The V-Rod is a bit of an orphan - unloved by the "faithful" and not of interest to the rest.

It will be fun to see how this new Duc does. If it sells in decent numbers despite it's high price, expect imitators. Just because the V-Rod failed, it does not mean this concept does not have serious merit. It just may be that the concept of a no excuses high performance power cruiser needs Ducati, the coolest of all manufacturers, to sell it

Dr_Sprocket · 02-17-2011, 04:19 PM

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Originally Posted by Duken4evr

Japan could do this bike. Not as cool perhaps, but for $9,000 less and with the usual Japanese unbreakable reliability, it could have appeal.

Victory could do this. Who knows. Victory seems pretty progressive and they are not necessarily tied into a one dimensional engine offering.

To be fair, Harley tried this market quite awhile ago with the V-Rod. Harley likely feels rather burned by the V-Rod and it would be understandable if they believe that nobody bought it because it is not a traditional Harley. That may be. Traditional Harley riders are not V-Rod buyers, and a lot of riders are not potential Harley customers due to the strong brand image that is either highly attractive or not. The V-Rod is a bit of an orphan - unloved by the "faithful" and not of interest to the rest.

It will be fun to see how this new Duc does. If it sells in decent numbers despite it's high price, expect imitators. Just because the V-Rod failed, it does not mean this concept does not have serious merit.

I have to say, I was not at all surprised to see H-D drop the original iteration of the VRod this year. Too bad, too, because it was a pretty decent bike. The documentary on the development of the VRod was pretty neat, too!

Duken4evr · 02-17-2011, 05:31 PM

Forgot to add. Regarding the Duc Streetfighter with 3K worth of bling for 12.9K mentioned in the prior post. I concur. Buy it. Buy it now!!!!

Any links to the VRod documentary? I would be interested in seeing that.

Kevin_Duke · 02-17-2011, 09:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Duken4evr

Japan could do this bike. Not as cool perhaps, but for $9,000 less and with the usual Japanese unbreakable reliability, it could have appeal.

Well, I'm not too sure about that. A VMax is more expensive than the base Diavel and lacks TC. I feel kinda sorry for Mr. Max, one of the most expressive Japanese bikes ever.

Dr_Sprocket · 02-18-2011, 03:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke

Well, I'm not too sure about that. A VMax is more expensive than the base Diavel and lacks TC. I feel kinda sorry for Mr. Max, one of the most expressive Japanese bikes ever.

What's that? *sniff, sniff* Do I smell a shootout?

pplassm · 02-18-2011, 06:35 AM

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Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer

I stopped by a Boca chopper shop called Red Racing last week for some powdercoating info and the owner showed me several consignment bikes for sale. Every one had the same story: "He's got $74,000 in this one, we're asking $12,000. This one has an $8,000 paint job, we're asking $5,000." Five or six bikes like that...

So...buy a chopper!

It's over:

Jesse James & West Coast Choppers Bites the Dust- Long Beach, CA

pushrod · 02-18-2011, 06:55 AM

The V-rod had a couple things going against it.

It was 'different' enough that the HD faithful didn't like it.

It wasn't 'different' enough for everyone else to look more than twice at it.

It handles like... Well, it doesn't handle.

It has a pitiful fuel carrying capacity.

I've said all along they should have put that motor in a Touring bike.

Duken4evr · 02-18-2011, 06:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke

Well, I'm not too sure about that. A VMax is more expensive than the base Diavel and lacks TC. I feel kinda sorry for Mr. Max, one of the most expressive Japanese bikes ever.

The V-Max has it's own unique and expensive V-4 engine. The Duc has the advantage of a shared engine, so that saves them money there.

Hmm. Suzuki could drop a Hayabusa motor in a cruiser chassis with a phat rear tire. Should be suitably ridiculous. An inline 4 "cruiser" likely would not sell though. Been there, done that before I guess.

Nevermind - LOL

02-17-2011, 04:14 PM	#23
Duken4evr Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 706	Japan could do this bike. Not as cool perhaps, but for $9,000 less and with the usual Japanese unbreakable reliability, it could have appeal. Victory could do this. Who knows. Victory seems pretty progressive and they are not necessarily tied into a one dimensional engine offering. To be fair, Harley tried this market quite awhile ago with the V-Rod. Harley likely feels rather burned by the V-Rod and it would be understandable if they believe that nobody bought it because it is not a traditional Harley. That may be. Traditional Harley riders are not V-Rod buyers, and a lot of riders are not potential Harley customers due to the strong brand image that is either highly attractive or not. The V-Rod is a bit of an orphan - unloved by the "faithful" and not of interest to the rest. It will be fun to see how this new Duc does. If it sells in decent numbers despite it's high price, expect imitators. Just because the V-Rod failed, it does not mean this concept does not have serious merit. It just may be that the concept of a no excuses high performance power cruiser needs Ducati, the coolest of all manufacturers, to sell it Last edited by Duken4evr : 02-17-2011 at 04:18 PM.

02-18-2011, 06:55 AM	#29
pushrod Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Baja 'Bama Posts: 3,635	The V-rod had a couple things going against it. It was 'different' enough that the HD faithful didn't like it. It wasn't 'different' enough for everyone else to look more than twice at it. It handles like... Well, it doesn't handle. It has a pitiful fuel carrying capacity. I've said all along they should have put that motor in a Touring bike. __________________ You would not understand, this is not how I am... I have become - Comfortably Numb.

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02-17-2011, 01:27 PM	#22
MotoCraze Registered Member Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Earth Posts: 5	Well, some people will like it, some not, it's the matter of taste. But it is good thing it's here, it could push others to make similar bikes, which is good,... new class, more bikes, more competition = good for us! I like Diavel, everything is cool, except the price.

02-17-2011, 05:31 PM	#25
Duken4evr Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 706	Forgot to add. Regarding the Duc Streetfighter with 3K worth of bling for 12.9K mentioned in the prior post. I concur. Buy it. Buy it now!!!! Any links to the VRod documentary? I would be interested in seeing that.