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2011 Honda CBR250R Tech Review
 

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2011 Honda CBR250R Tech Review

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Overload 12-13-2010 08:06 PM

I'm still confused why a new fuel injected 250 has less power than a 15(?) year old carberated 250?

Dr_Sprocket 12-13-2010 08:44 PM

It's about time Honda stepped up to answer the blows issued from Team Green. I'll be anxiously awaiting the comparo of these two bikes from the competitors. (How long do I have to wait, Duke?)

Duken4evr 12-14-2010 07:29 AM

No doubt Hotcams will come out with a set for this. It would be fun to see what this little engine could do with more aggressive tuning, an exhaust and some FI tweaks. It is probably perfect for the intended market just as it is, but riding/racing these things on the track would be a total hoot. A set of cams for a single are pretty cheap, probably around $300 for both for my DRZ400. This one should be cheaper than that too, thanks to the forked rockers requiring only one lobe per cam., Just looking at the design of this motor, well, it wants to sing baby! :)

Yamaha already sort of has a competitor in it's WR250 motard variant. I smell a tiddler comparo!

One thing that really strikes me with this bike though. Honda did a fantastic job with the styling and the price is very reasonable. They packed a lot of tech in for the same price as a Ninja 250. The newly restyled Ninja does look cool too though. One of those with FI would still be my choice.

Things are heating up in the 250 class, a sign that the US no longer drives the entire world of motorcycling. We are preoccupied with cruisers and I think interest in sport bikes will fall off. Supersports are too expensive to insure. Gimme a large capacity motard/standard revolution. That would be cool. Speaking of cool, gimme a 45hp 450cc version of this bike. That would be the Streets of Willow track day blaster :)

Morbo the Destroyer 12-14-2010 08:22 AM

So...is it really true that it's more fun to ride a small bike at the limit versus a big bike at 1/2 speed? I guess Mr. Duke will have to tell us.

Kevin_Duke 12-14-2010 08:48 AM

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Originally Posted by Overload (Post 253229)
I'm still confused why a new fuel injected 250 has less power than a 15(?) year old carberated 250?

That needs to be qualified. The CBR will have less peak horsepower than the Kaw, yes, which is to be expected from an engine with half the cylinders. But it will - rpm per rpm - deliver more hp and torque until 8000-plus revs, and probably more peak torque. Bet on EFI for the 2012 Ninja.

Kevin_Duke 12-14-2010 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by Duken4evr (Post 253243)
It is probably perfect for the intended market just as it is

One thing that really strikes me with this bike though. Honda did a fantastic job with the styling and the price is very reasonable. They packed a lot of tech in for the same price as a Ninja 250.

Thanks for providing a voice of reason instead of just hatin'!

Kevin_Duke 12-14-2010 08:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer (Post 253252)
So...is it really true that it's more fun to ride a small bike at the limit versus a big bike at 1/2 speed? I guess Mr. Duke will have to tell us.

Nah, not this time (again). ;)

Duken4evr 12-14-2010 10:47 AM

You know, this engine it it's current state of tune would drop very nicely right into a 250cc dual sport and/or SM. WR250R/X competitors perhaps. Hmmm?

America needs bikes like these to feed the future of motorcycling. I wonder if we are smart enough to buy them?

Jeff Cobb 12-14-2010 12:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Morbo the Destroyer (Post 253252)
So...is it really true that it's more fun to ride a small bike at the limit versus a big bike at 1/2 speed? I guess Mr. Duke will have to tell us.


Since Mr. Duke deferred, allow me: The answer is "absolutely." Put one rider on a 2011 ZX-10R on a reasonably tight road or race course, and another rider with equal ability on a 300-lb 250 with full power, and the big bike won't be at half speed. He'll be going as fast as he can, watching the 250 run away and leave him.

The evolution of sport bikes has taken us to 200 mph monsters no one can fully use. They now have to put traction control on them to reduce liability. Don't get me wrong, I still love 'em, and don't plan to sell my old R1. But they were based on the "big" racers. A bike based on the smaller racers like 250GP bikes would corner far better and might still top out near 120-130+. (Nearly what 1000s did 30 years ago).

This is what they did in the 90s. Imagine if there was demand and competition for more like this 19,000 rpm, Four-cylinder, 4-stroke CBR250RR-

YouTube - Cbr250RR -Rolling burnout & stand up wheelie

Such a bike today could cost $10k or more, would give up maybe 30hp and half the torque to a hot 600, but would make up for it in light weight. I'd surely like a 320 lb, 55 hp sportbike set up like a 250 repliracer. Not as great if you live where all the roads are straight, but otherwise ...


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