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Duken4evr · 12-18-2010, 12:49 PM

Case in point, AMA Superbike champ Josh Hayes. Watching him race, it seemed pretty evident his R1 had slightly less brute power than the front running GSXRs, but his Yam can cut a tighter line and Josh can ride ride ride

Noitall · 12-19-2010, 09:48 AM

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Originally Posted by MOKE1K

Well if you know anything about road racing its about what you put to the ground not just the highest horse power. Besides buddy it's not the bike it's the rider just like Kevin has mentioned. Show me any bike with the most hp and I'll show you a rider that can over come it with less, electronics or not.

Superstock BMW S1000RR - Show me a rider that beat the BM this year on less hp - check race results which speak for themselves.

Kevin_Duke · 12-19-2010, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by Noitall

Superstock BMW S1000RR - Show me a rider that beat the BM this year on less hp - check race results which speak for themselves.

See my previous post...

MOKE1K · 12-19-2010, 01:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Noitall

Superstock BMW S1000RR - Show me a rider that beat the BM this year on less hp - check race results which speak for themselves.

I'm obviously not referring to one year in wss. And if you can't figure out my point then it's useless to discuss it.

MOKE1K · 12-19-2010, 02:06 PM

Case in point, every single factory Honda this year in Motogp that motored most every single bike on the grid this past year, but couldn't win the championship.

Noitall · 12-21-2010, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by MOKE1K

Case in point, every single factory Honda this year in Motogp that motored most every single bike on the grid this past year, but couldn't win the championship.

But in Superstock all over the World BMW did smoke every single other manufacture. All the other manufacturers had good riders but they were on inferior motorcycles.
My point is, rash statements following Journo's Jolly's in Spain do not represent the truth. They raved about the 09 R1 which was and is a pile of s--t. Forget SBK performance I cannot buy a works special.
The BMW has made average riders look good over better riders on inferior machinery.

MOKE1K · 12-22-2010, 11:20 AM

No doubt the Beemer is a bad ass bike, my point is look deeper than the bike aside from the article and the Journalist. Journalist arent professional racers and they have an opinion that doesnt culminate through a year of developing and racing a specific model.

To say the R1 is a pile, is a bit of a stretch which is why I say look more closely at the rider. BMW has raised the bar no doubt but you always have to think about how the champion would have done if they switched bikes. Is it the bike or the rider? I'd much rather be a rider with enough skill to overcome a slower rider with a faster bike.

Duken4evr · 12-22-2010, 02:17 PM

I would take the "Pile" R1 any day.

It will be very interesting to see what Larry P does on the BMW in AMA Superbike. Can't wait. Seems to me he is riding better than ever but the "old" Duc was holding him back.

MOKE1K · 12-23-2010, 06:56 AM

Could have been, well see!

12-19-2010, 02:06 PM	#15
MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,992	Case in point, every single factory Honda this year in Motogp that motored most every single bike on the grid this past year, but couldn't win the championship. __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL"

12-22-2010, 11:20 AM	#17
MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,992	No doubt the Beemer is a bad ass bike, my point is look deeper than the bike aside from the article and the Journalist. Journalist arent professional racers and they have an opinion that doesnt culminate through a year of developing and racing a specific model. To say the R1 is a pile, is a bit of a stretch which is why I say look more closely at the rider. BMW has raised the bar no doubt but you always have to think about how the champion would have done if they switched bikes. Is it the bike or the rider? I'd much rather be a rider with enough skill to overcome a slower rider with a faster bike. __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL"

12-23-2010, 06:56 AM	#19
MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,992	Could have been, well see! __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL"

12-18-2010, 12:49 PM	#11
Duken4evr Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 721	Case in point, AMA Superbike champ Josh Hayes. Watching him race, it seemed pretty evident his R1 had slightly less brute power than the front running GSXRs, but his Yam can cut a tighter line and Josh can ride ride ride

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12-22-2010, 02:17 PM	#18
Duken4evr Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 721	I would take the "Pile" R1 any day. It will be very interesting to see what Larry P does on the BMW in AMA Superbike. Can't wait. Seems to me he is riding better than ever but the "old" Duc was holding him back.