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2010 Native S Review
 

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2010 Native S Review

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mscuddy 07-12-2010 05:32 PM

Hasn't anybody heard of a hybrid drive for ghodsake? Screw the batteries, have a small high-output diesel running a generator, to a bank of batteries, where you can either ride it on just the batteries, on both the batteries and the diesel, or just the diesel.

Uh, I think some small company named GM Electramotive might have tried the same thing with some success on a device called the DIESEL ELECTRIC LOCOMOTIVE? I could be wrong...

acecycleins 07-12-2010 06:37 PM

Remember HDT? The diesel KLR. Seems like somethng those boys should get on. They already have the first part hammered out with the diesel.

Kenneth_Moore 07-13-2010 07:44 AM

So, these guys won't take government subsidies, they're relying on organic growth rather than taking wads of venture capital, and they downplay their products and customer base rather than hyping themselves up.

HOLY CRAP, WHAT IS WRONG WITH THEM???

Kevin_Duke 07-13-2010 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by acecycleins (Post 245463)
Remember HDT? The diesel KLR. Seems like somethng those boys should get on. They already have the first part hammered out with the diesel.

But wouldn't adding 100-plus lbs of batteries and motors create a 600-plus-lb dirtbike...?

acecycleins 07-13-2010 12:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke (Post 245499)
But wouldn't adding 100-plus lbs of batteries and motors create a 600-plus-lb dirtbike...?

If they could diesel the 250 motor and use the 650 platform using regen technology of braking and keep the weight at 450lbs then they might be on to something.

seruzawa 07-13-2010 12:52 PM

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Originally Posted by acecycleins (Post 245511)
If they could diesel the 250 motor and use the 650 platform using regen technology of braking and keep the weight at 450lbs then they might be on to something.

Oh yeah. A 450lb dirt bike. That'll fly.

mscuddy 07-13-2010 12:55 PM

Don't need all them batteries...
 
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Originally Posted by Kevin_Duke (Post 245499)
But wouldn't adding 100-plus lbs of batteries and motors create a 600-plus-lb dirtbike...?

Two deep cell 12volt batteries = 60 lbs. One small diesel direct injected motor & generator = 120 lbs. One 24 volt hi-torque electric motor = 50 lbs.

Total approx. hybrid powerplant weight: 230 lbs.

Add that to a rolling chassis weight of around 180 lbs and you have a hybrid electric motorcycle that weighs around 400 lbs.

Too heavy for a dirt bike, but in the ballpark for a street machine.

acecycleins 07-13-2010 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa (Post 245512)
Oh yeah. A 450lb dirt bike. That'll fly.

KLR, GS, last gen tiger- all over 400. I'm not saying that it's has to be a dirt bike. Just adaptable like a GS.

seruzawa 07-13-2010 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by mscuddy (Post 245513)
Two deep cell 12volt batteries = 60 lbs. One small diesel direct injected motor & generator = 120 lbs. One 24 volt hi-torque electric motor = 50 lbs.

Total approx. hybrid powerplant weight: 230 lbs.

Add that to a rolling chassis weight of around 180 lbs and you have a hybrid electric motorcycle that weighs around 400 lbs.

Too heavy for a dirt bike, but in the ballpark for a street machine.

A small diesel engine with, say 10hp, will only give you about 10hp of continuous performance. The battery will give short spurts of increased performance but your average power available will be only what the donkey engine provides minus line losses. That's one of the problems with hybrids. Great for commuting but not so good for performance.


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