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Old 06-13-2010, 06:43 PM   #11
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It would be interesting to flip over to N.A.D.A. Home Page in 24 months and compare the trade in and average retail value listed for each bike.

I'll bet $50 the Honda won't win that shootout.
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Old 06-14-2010, 08:13 AM   #12
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It would be interesting to flip over to N.A.D.A. Home Page in 24 months and compare the trade in and average retail value listed for each bike.

I'll bet $50 the Honda won't win that shootout.




Yeah, that would be interesting, for sure, Ken. I already gave my speculation in the article, but hard numbers would add perspective.

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Old 06-14-2010, 08:30 AM   #13
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It would be interesting to flip over to N.A.D.A. Home Page in 24 months and compare the trade in and average retail value listed for each bike.

I'll bet $50 the Honda won't win that shootout.
and a couple months from now Honda will be throwing in a Rune with a purchase of a Shadow 750.
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Old 06-14-2010, 11:49 PM   #14
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Default Harley 883L targeted to women and entry level riders

Harley's biggest sellers are the big twins like the Fat Bob, Street Glide and Ultra Classic. The 883 and 1200 are more like stepping stones to get new riders comfortable with Harleys, and for smaller women who are afraid of the big twins. It is not Harley's main business. Go into any Harley dealership and you will see. The 883s and 1200s are parked way in the back of the showroom in a dark corner. Honda is welcome to this business, but I doubt they will sell too many Shadow RS's here except to cash strapped buyers who can't afford big twins or sport bikes. This is not Japan or third world countries where a motorcycle is more of a practical necessity.
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Old 06-15-2010, 05:26 AM   #15
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Harley's biggest sellers are the big twins like the Fat Bob, Street Glide and Ultra Classic. The 883 and 1200 are more like stepping stones to get new riders comfortable with Harleys, and for smaller women who are afraid of the big twins. It is not Harley's main business. Go into any Harley dealership and you will see. The 883s and 1200s are parked way in the back of the showroom in a dark corner. Honda is welcome to this business, but I doubt they will sell too many Shadow RS's here except to cash strapped buyers who can't afford big twins or sport bikes. This is not Japan or third world countries where a motorcycle is more of a practical necessity.
Obviously, you've never been to a Dealer that has "A Plan" and intends to stay in Business for a long time.

The local H-D Boutique puts the Parts Counter in the back-corner, with the Buells (when he had them) right by the Front Door, followed by a mix of Sportsters and more-expensive bikes. Nothing is particularly "segregated", but for the Buells being showcased (once I talked with him, I found out why - he's very Rah-Rah over the Buell brand).

He seems to do pretty well for himself, I can say that much.
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Old 06-15-2010, 06:42 AM   #16
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Obviously, you've never been to a Dealer that has "A Plan" and intends to stay in Business for a long time.

The local H-D Boutique puts the Parts Counter in the back-corner, with the Buells (when he had them) right by the Front Door, followed by a mix of Sportsters and more-expensive bikes. Nothing is particularly "segregated", but for the Buells being showcased (once I talked with him, I found out why - he's very Rah-Rah over the Buell brand).

He seems to do pretty well for himself, I can say that much.
Timpanogas HD has several 883s in a row right inside the front door. South Valley HD has several near the front too. Obviously it's a dealer issue. Stupid shortsighted dealers don't encourage Sporty sales. That's where much of the future Big Twin business comes from.

Not that I care that much whether HD survives after they threw all those Buell employees under the bus. F*** HD.
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Old 06-15-2010, 08:10 AM   #17
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Timpanogas HD has several 883s in a row right inside the front door. South Valley HD has several near the front too. Obviously it's a dealer issue. Stupid shortsighted dealers don't encourage Sporty sales. That's where much of the future Big Twin business comes from.

Not that I care that much whether HD survives after they threw all those Buell employees under the bus. F*** HD.
You know, I've wondered exactly how hard it would be to start-up Buell again - that is, if someone at H-D suddenly came to their senses and went begging back to Erik with their Do-Rag in their hands........
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The Sportsters are important stepping stones for H-D, especially now that Buell was axed.
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Old 06-15-2010, 08:18 AM   #19
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You know, I've wondered exactly how hard it would be to start-up Buell again - that is, if someone at H-D suddenly came to their senses and went begging back to Erik with their Do-Rag in their hands........
Hard or not, H-D wouldn't risk losing face by resurrecting Buell.

But if Bombardier wanted to retain the market for its Rotax V-Twin...
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