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Old 06-08-2010, 03:46 PM   #21
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I'm trying to remember a time when there were so many high-end bikes on the market. Seems like $20k bikes are everywhere now.
Again, everyone else getting busy trying to copy the Harley-Davidson business model. I wonder how that's going to work out for them. Hmmmm.
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Old 06-08-2010, 04:11 PM   #22
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It will be interesting to see if the VFR DCT pulls in high-end newer riders. Experienced riders will swoon less for the DCT.
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Old 06-08-2010, 06:44 PM   #23
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It will be interesting to see if the VFR DCT pulls in high-end newer riders. Experienced riders will swoon less for the DCT.
FWIW, I sat on the new Viffer last week and again today. You are spot-on regarding the fit and finish. Top notch, indeed!

Right next to the VFR was the Yamaha FJR and the Connie. Side-by-side, the FJR looks narrower and more nimble than the VFR or Connie. I'm not saying it is, but it just looks sleeker. The Concours is a nice bike, but darn it looks pudgy!
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FWIW, I sat on the new Viffer last week and again today. You are spot-on regarding the fit and finish. Top notch, indeed!

Right next to the VFR was the Yamaha FJR and the Connie. Side-by-side, the FJR looks narrower and more nimble than the VFR or Connie. I'm not saying it is, but it just looks sleeker. The Concours is a nice bike, but darn it looks pudgy!
You confuse me, Doc. I get it when you agree with me.

But I disagree that the FJR looks narrower than the VFR. The FJ's gotta be wider, and it weighs more.
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Old 06-09-2010, 04:10 AM   #25
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You confuse me, Doc. I get it when you agree with me.

But I disagree that the FJR looks narrower than the VFR. The FJ's gotta be wider, and it weighs more.
Maybe it's the lines. Design lines can play tricks on the eye. I don't know. But if you saw them side by side from the front, you might agree. Perhaps it's the uninterrupted fairing on the VFR, no lines to break it up. Don't know, but that's the impression I got. YMMV.
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Old 06-09-2010, 06:01 AM   #26
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Maybe it's the lines. Design lines can play tricks on the eye. I don't know. But if you saw them side by side from the front, you might agree. Perhaps it's the uninterrupted fairing on the VFR, no lines to break it up. Don't know, but that's the impression I got. YMMV.
The new VFR looks like a bastard mix of origami and Ducati styling. Honda didn't have the balls to go all the way with origami like the FZ1 or Z1000 and played it "safe" by adding Ducati cues but apparently from the 2009 Multistrada. The result is the most hideous overweight faux-sportbike of our time from the most boringest bike company this side of Harley-Davidson. Put the VFR next to the Buell 1125 on the ugly pedestal. There's no competition.
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Old 06-09-2010, 06:14 AM   #27
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Nice article, most-interesting technology. I still have my own shifting preferences, but Honda can sure make technological wonders. The question remains, though: will anybody buy it, or will it go the way of the "Hondamatic" of the '80s?
Thank you AirHawk. How it will do long term is the question, isn't it? It reminds me of others taking chances on technology some people look at and say no way to ...

This project was committed to in a better economy, mid decade. Those conditions now flavor some people's observations as to its viability.

If I were a potential buyer, I'd rather spend money on something like this, than a $15,000 option on a Porsche, or a $20,000 turnkey custom chopper or some such. More people were spending a lot on what ever it was they were into than they are now.

We shall see ...
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Old 06-09-2010, 06:16 AM   #28
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So, Mr. Zawa, what is the "right" weight for a motorcycle? What weight should Honda have made this bike? Given the bike is $20k already, how much more money is that weight delta worth? Light means expensive.
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So, Mr. Zawa, what is the "right" weight for a motorcycle? What weight should Honda have made this bike? Given the bike is $20k already, how much more money is that weight delta worth? Light means expensive.
No, light doesn't mean expensive. It just means smaller. Americans demand their fat pig bikes and they get them. I think it's gone entirely in the wrong direction. Fat bikes for fat pigs with no taste. "Oink oink. Give me some cheese bacon fries and a VFR please. And an M-80 for desert! Oink oink."
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