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Old 07-05-2010, 02:03 PM   #71
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You might well be right, in which case life is going to be particularly hard for Paolo Timoni (and the other motorcycle manufacturers) to shift more product in order to create 'big changes to broaden customer base' - as tweaking the toys that they sell currently is not producing the results they need.
To be fair to Timoni, the MP3 and Mana are steps in converting non-enthusiasts to the moto world.
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:39 AM   #72
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To be fair to Timoni, the MP3 and Mana are steps in converting non-enthusiasts to the moto world.
Really? Over here (in the UK) the law means the first version was considered a motorcycle (the front wheels being close enough together to be considered a STV) they have started selling a version with a slightly wider front track, which makes it a three-wheeled vehicle and drivable on a car licence.

But I have not noticed that it is a particularly big seller. Certainly not getting many drivers out of their cars - one of the problems being that it is really a bit big. In our congested cities where bike parking can be limited it is probably best suited to somewhat narrower vehicles.
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Really? Over here (in the UK) the law means the first version was considered a motorcycle (the front wheels being close enough together to be considered a STV) they have started selling a version with a slightly wider front track, which makes it a three-wheeled vehicle and drivable on a car licence.

But I have not noticed that it is a particularly big seller. Certainly not getting many drivers out of their cars - one of the problems being that it is really a bit big. In our congested cities where bike parking can be limited it is probably best suited to somewhat narrower vehicles.
I didn't claim they were successful steps! However, I know of two non-riders who bought an MP3 and say they like the security of the extra front wheel/tire. It's no silver bullet, but it is something innovative that might gain more acceptance.
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Old 07-06-2010, 12:38 PM   #74
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According to this report, Piaggio sold 14,073 units of the MP3 model in France in 2009. The LT wide model is classified as a car there.

Of the two-wheeled models, the highest-seller was the Yamaha 125 Xmax scooter at 7,903 and second was the Kawasaki Z750 at 6,124. Combined, the top two highest-selling two-wheelers in France totaled 14,027, less than the total MP3 sales. This is probably why Piaggio chose Paris to launch the 300cc MP3 Hybrid.

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Thanks for the info, Monkey!
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Old 07-06-2010, 07:18 PM   #76
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I think what he's missing is that most of the advantages that two-wheelers enjoy in Europe do not exist here in North America.

Ever park your bike on the sidewalk (outside of SF)? Ever try splitting lanes outside of Cali?

Where I work I have to attend a special class, and put multiple stickers on my bike (THE HORROR!) just to get in the gate.

So, why should I ride a bike in consecutive 100 degree days just to save a few bucks in gas?

I rode to work every day possible for two years. I know what it takes to do that. Very few Americans are willing to make that commitment.
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I didn't claim they were successful steps! However, I know of two non-riders who bought an MP3 and say they like the security of the extra front wheel/tire. It's no silver bullet, but it is something innovative that might gain more acceptance.
But you now have a three wheeled vehicle and that is not a motorcycle! Add a rear wheel, stick on a roof and doors and you can have a Gordon Murray (McLaren) designed T-25/27 small car.



And you could have air-con in that, pplassm!
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Of course tandem seating and air conditioned PTW's exist.....



You can choose between petrol or electric motive power too!
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According to this report, Piaggio sold 14,073 units of the MP3 model in France in 2009. The LT wide model is classified as a car there.
I know they have been pretty popular in France - but that is ASTONISHING!

Thanks for that link!
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