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Old 04-05-2010, 09:48 AM   #51
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Double-wasteful! 'Cuz they like, have electric campfires an' stuff nowadays! No more polluting the Great Outdoors with that carbon-based woody-typee-stuff found in the Great Outdoors!
They DO have a 'No War for Oil' sticker on the bumper of the SUV though. Does that count??
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Old 04-05-2010, 09:50 AM   #52
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They DO have a 'No War for Oil' sticker on the bumper of the SUV though. Does that count??
Is it right next to the "FREE Tibet! (one inside each specially-marked package)" Sticker?
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Is it right next to the "FREE Tibet! (one inside each specially-marked package)" Sticker?
You can only get those on the inside of fortune cookies at the local Chinese food eatery.
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Old 04-05-2010, 10:13 AM   #54
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They DO have a 'No War for Oil' sticker on the bumper of the SUV though. Does that count??
My favorite lefty sticker was the one on the new 4Runner parked in the driveway of an upscale suburban neighborhood that said, "Developers Burn In Hell." I'm sure the lefty who owned it had no clue of the irony.
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Old 04-05-2010, 10:28 AM   #55
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My favorite lefty sticker was the one on the new 4Runner parked in the driveway of an upscale suburban neighborhood that said, "Developers Burn In Hell." I'm sure the lefty who owned it had no clue of the irony.
The funniest part is that he was probably a developer!
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:25 AM   #56
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Did ya feel it? I read about it after you sent the text. Anything busted up out there? I hope the Beemer is intact!
We had just finished our Easter meal and our wine glasses started sloshing.

The lights and chandelier were rocking like crazy. It lasted about 30 seconds and was a doozy. Plenty of aftershocks too. Kinda get the womenfolk all wound up.
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Old 04-05-2010, 11:26 AM   #57
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I don't see this debate as conservatives vs liberals. Like it or not - and infrastructure or not - billions of dollars and some of the world's brightest minds are working on electric vehicles and battery technology as we speak. The question is whether America will be a leader in this field or not.

Ranked among governments around the world, the Obama admin is quite conservative. And he has committed to new nuclear powerplants and recently off-shore drilling. And note how the biggest monetary incentives for e-vehicles are from states, not the Feds.

Even if John McCain had won the '08 election, the development and profligation of electric vehicles would be in the exact same place as they are now.
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"Ranked among governments around the world, the Obama admin is quite conservative. And he has committed to new nuclear powerplants and recently off-shore drilling"

But Bush was an ass when he wanted to do those things. He was a 'dumb' guy. You mean it's now OK becuase a 'smart' guy like 'The Messiah' now approves of those things?? My how things change.

" Like it or not - and infrastructure or not - billions of dollars and some of the world's brightest minds are working on electric vehicles and battery technology as we speak."

I think the same amount of time, money and effort went into turning lead into gold. How'd that work out for everyone?
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"Kinda get the womenfolk all wound up."

That can be a good thing!
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I don't see this debate as conservatives vs liberals. Like it or not - and infrastructure or not - billions of dollars and some of the world's brightest minds are working on electric vehicles and battery technology as we speak. The question is whether America will be a leader in this field or not.

Ranked among governments around the world, the Obama admin is quite conservative. And he has committed to new nuclear powerplants and recently off-shore drilling. And note how the biggest monetary incentives for e-vehicles are from states, not the Feds.

Even if John McCain had won the '08 election, the development and profligation of electric vehicles would be in the exact same place as they are now.
Well, the issue certainly SHOULDN'T be partisan since we all have a stake in it.

I have no doubt either that eventually some sort of electric based system will become viable. But the technology has to drive it, not some system of wishes and faith. Someone might find the perfect battery next week or it might be a century. Until then we need workable solutions using today's technology and current LmH batteries aren't it.

There is a type of battery that uses air and zinc. Would that be better than LmH? I dunno. And neither does anyone else. Do we even have enough zinc if it does work out? Dunno that either.

For that matter the answers to all our shortages are out there in our solar system. We could even build the spacecraft today to go get them except for the irrational terror of nuclear power that squashes all such technology and the squandering of our wealth in the centers of govt.
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