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Old 04-01-2010, 12:57 PM   #11
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I agree. So selling glorified electric bicycles for 10 grand is a bad idea then??
The price is unavoidable right now. Just the price of new technology. But, I do not see a future in electric powered vehicles, so yeah, bad idea.
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Old 04-02-2010, 11:05 PM   #12
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You could save more fuel by limiting cars to 100 hp than you ever will with electric cars using the current level of battery technology.
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Sounds like the best argument for electric vehicles!
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Old 04-03-2010, 07:38 AM   #13
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Sounds like the best argument for electric vehicles!
How is it no one is touching on the fact that if a decent percentage of vehicles become electric based that our infrastructure can not handle it, and in fact, will not eliminate pollution?

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Old 04-03-2010, 08:27 AM   #14
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Those of us who understand the basic phsysics of batteries knew it was a ridiculous expectation. And until a new way to store energy is developed it still is. Chemical energy storage is too toxic, too slow, too limited and too inefficient.
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A hybrid with a 50cc diesel hooked up to a generator wirh nicad batteries might work. I am still waiting for my IH hit-or-miss motor with the 750 KWH generator hooked up to it to get delivered by that miserable cartage company that seems to loose my bill of lading every few hours. I'm so PO'd I even forgot the name..maybe by the time I'm sixty.

CRST! Yes, that's the trucking company! Cut Rate Stupid Trucking.
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Old 04-04-2010, 12:29 PM   #17
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Only one question left to be answered: Which model electric car and bike do you own??
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How is it no one is touching on the fact that if a decent percentage of vehicles become electric based that our infrastructure can not handle it, and in fact, will not eliminate pollution?
Power generation facilities deal with extreme peaks and valleys in consumption. Around 4 in the afternoon, they are straining to keep up with demand as many businesses are still drawing their peak demand, and many consumers are returning home to turn on a/c's, stoves, etc. So yes, there are brownouts and even blackout during hours of peak demand. HOWEVER, virtually every power generator has huge EXCESS capacity at night, when electric vehicles would likely be charged. They all ramp down their power output as much as possible, but once a boiler is lit, or a damn is flowing, it's very hard to stop. In CA alone, estimates are that over a quarter million electric cars could be recharged nightly without making any impact on the electrical power grid whatsoever...no new facilities, no extra fuel, nothing. Now imagine the fuel that 1/4 million vehicles would use being available for something else...and CA is actually a worst case scenario. Now imagine building a few dozen nuclear plants with no coal or oil required.

Electric cars and bikes are just a part of a new paradigm for transportation and energy. I happen to think a hydrogen based energy economy is an excellent choice, and electic vehicles fit right into it.
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Only one question left to be answered: Which model electric car and bike do you own??
Read my review of the Zero bike in my Daytona post. Your answer is there.
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You might want to take a look at fuell cell technolgy Seruzawa, it's an incredibly efficient battery technology that overcomes all of your noted shortcomings.
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