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Old 01-04-2010, 09:53 AM   #201
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The point is Harley's are not underpowered. How can a 96 cubic inch fuel injected engine be gutless? My FLHT will cruise all day at 90 without batting an eye loaded down with my chunky butt. If you want more than that then there's any number of 3 and 4 cylinder sport touring bikes that will do the trick. it'll accelerate very well up to that speed without a hiccup and stop from that speed in a nice controllable straight line with the ABS.

The bottom line is that you don't know what you're talking about. You're "matter of fact" statements are all subjective, I would say you've never ridden a modern Harley, all you're doing is trotting out the same bullsh*t line as the rest of your ilk who likewise haven't a clue. Hell man, if you don't like them don't buy one, I'm sure your Victory is a perfectly capable bike. I really wish you'd accept the fact that you screwed up by not buying a Harley and get over it.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:07 AM   #202
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Losing sales might not be so devastating when a company sells hundreds of thousands of units. Victory's highest sales year was around 7000 units total worldwide. Last year it was less than 3500. No corporation can take such losses indefinitely.
Didn't HD get some financial help from the Government? Polaris did not. Polaris did $1.8 Billion in sales for 2008. They're not broke. If Victory loses money, isn't that a write-off for the parent company?



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No memo needs to delineate reality. Reality is what it is. And long stroke V-twin cruisers are performance dogs. People don't buy them for performance.
OK, but when comparing 2 cruisers to each other... apples to apples... do the differences in performance suddenly not matter? The bikes in this comaprison will most likely be loaded with gear and 2 people and ridden up mountains where the additional torque of the Victory will come in handy, don't you think?

My cruiser will out-accelerate a DL 1000 V-Strom or a BMW GS, and is just as quick as an FJR 1300 (5800 RPM rev limit and bike/rider combined weight of 960 lbs). Define "dog" please.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:14 AM   #203
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Didn't HD get some financial help from the Government? Polaris did not. Polaris did $1.8 Billion in sales for 2008. They're not broke. If Victory loses money, isn't that a write-off for the parent company?





OK, but when comparing 2 cruisers to each other... apples to apples... do the differences in performance suddenly not matter? The bikes in this comaprison will most likely be loaded with gear and 2 people and ridden up mountains where the additional torque of the Victory will come in handy, don't you think?

My cruiser will out-accelerate a DL 1000 V-Strom or a BMW GS, and is just as quick as an FJR 1300 (5800 RPM rev limit and bike/rider combined weight of 960 lbs). Define "dog" please.
13 seconds is faster than 11 seconds? Who knew?
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:20 AM   #204
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My cruiser will out-accelerate a DL 1000 V-Strom or a BMW GS, and is just as quick as an FJR 1300 (5800 RPM rev limit and bike/rider combined weight of 960 lbs). Define "dog" please.
Ok, that's it. Nobody's pushrod actuated, air-cooled, 100lb flywheel cruiser out-accelerates a DL1000. What is your 0 to 60 or 1/4 mile time?

I've blown the wheels off every bike that's bothered to try me with the exception of a couple full-on sport bikes. And even they got a run for their money.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:32 AM   #205
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The bottom line is that you don't know what you're talking about. You're "matter of fact" statements are all subjective, I would say you've never ridden a modern Harley, all you're doing is trotting out the same bullsh*t line as the rest of your ilk who likewise haven't a clue. Hell man, if you don't like them don't buy one, I'm sure your Victory is a perfectly capable bike. I really wish you'd accept the fact that you screwed up by not buying a Harley and get over it.
You make a statement like that, but I get accused of Harley bashing? I ride with a guy on a 2009 Street Glide all the time, so I can ride it all I want. Stock it was a pig. Even after pipes, airbox, fuel controller, and a dyno tune it's still shy of the power a stock Victory 100 incher makes.

If you don't like Victorys don't buy one, I'm sure your Harley is a perfectly capable bike, but I really wish you'd accept the fact that the Victory will spank it in almost every category of objective comparison you can come up with.
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Ok, that's it. Nobody's pushrod actuated, air-cooled, 100lb flywheel cruiser out-accelerates a DL1000. What is your 0 to 60 or 1/4 mile time?
My 60' time is 1.73... 1/4 mile so far was 11.96 in the 100 degree heat on 92 octane gas, saddlebags and all. 118 HP and 122 ft/lbs to the tire. Corrected 1/4 mile shows 11.71. One of my best friends has a DL 1000 and he can't catch me in a straight line (but I know better than to follow him in the twisty stuff). My exhaust is terrible. I will be changing it soon. There's easily 8 HP in better pipes, along with even better low end grunt.

My bike is not stock. It is a very mild build though.
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Old 01-04-2010, 10:48 AM   #207
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13 seconds is faster than 11 seconds? Who knew?
The Kingpin went 12.77 when I bought it. Changed the Airbox and went 12.501 @ 105 MPH, engine untouched.
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Oh, and Victory engines don't use pushrods...
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Old 01-04-2010, 11:21 AM   #209
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To be fair, MOKE - have you actually priced a Harley compared to Victory, or Honda, or Yamaha, et. al., lately?

Starts to almost make that Hog seem a bargain. 'Cept for the poor stupid schmuck that's almost down to MSRP on the one he bought 3 years-ago at a $10k markup for the "priveledge" of gettin' to the front of the Line........

(THAT was the real thing I always hated about Harley: The goddam scalpin' greedy-ass Stealerships)
Ummm, I work for a Yamaha Dealer? And theres a Harley Dealer accross the street we regularly have bike nights at. Bargin, I think not. How when imo humble opinion the Harley isnt as good. Sorry just an opinion.
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Old 01-04-2010, 11:25 AM   #210
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