MOKE1K

Oops, guess I exposed mine a while back then. Dooh

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seruzawa

There's an easy way to discover the true meaning of junk. Go to any motorcycle junkyard with a pencil and tablet of paper. Write down the names of motorcycle manufacturers. Then put a mark under the name of each manufacturer of every motorcycle you count in the junkyard. When you are done you will find no marks under the names "Harley-Davidson" or "Indian". You may find a mark or two under "Triumph", "Ducati", "BMW" or "KTM". 99% of the marks will be under the names "Honda", "Suzuki", "Yamaha" and "Kawasaki".

Voila! You have discovered the true meaning of the work "Junk". That's what you find in junkyards after all.

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The_AirHawk

A friend of mine used to be part owner in a lil' "junkyard" that was chock-full of H-D, Triumph, etc - as well as old cars, from as far back as post-war. Then he got sick of it sitting, and sold it for scrap back in the '80s. Right before that shyte was "worth" anything.

Now, you'll be lucky to find even "Honda, Suzuki, Kawasaki, Yamaha........" or whatever, in ANY yard.

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seruzawa

That's also an era where you didn't have to pay 50% of new value for rusty old parts and you could still get new parts at reasonable costs.

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sarnali2

Back when "aftermarket parts" meant Santee frames and the Jammer catalog?..........Maybe that new S&S place?.....

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seruzawa

D&D! AEE! Nothing but the best accessories for our iron horses.

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roadhamr

who exactly in this thread referred to harley's as junk? certainly not me. i did however say that the victory was technically superior to the harley. i dont think this is a very difficult pill to swallow. harley could care less about being technically superior to anyone. they sell heritage and tradition. they do it better than we have ever seen before. the honest truth when one compares motorcycles still should be stated in a plain way.
the junkyards are full of japanese bikes because they dont have parts that are compatible with other models over 40 years. japanese bikes trade on technology and once it has been surpassed the bike goes to the wayside. you wont find many in junkyards because of the previous years prices on aluminum. i personnally broke down about 25 old japanese bikes for their aluminum and steel over the last couple of years.
longride thinks victory's are ugly. that is his opinion and he stated it plainly. good enough. he did however then go on a defensive rant protecting the motor company. this isnt very helpful in any discussion.
i hope we can get back to the topic and discuss it.

roadhamr

longride what is so wrong about my recollection of the development of the gl1800. i would love to hear your version. i dont think you know anything about anything that isnt harley related. i was in a honda dealership situation as a manager for quite a few years and have spent alot of years in the motorcycle business so if you would like to discuss the business i would be more than game.
stop talking out of both sides of your face and come up with something useful for the forum.

sarnali2

How exactly is seamless closed loop EFI, Catalyitic converters, Brembo ABS, air suspension, throttle by wire, six speed transmissions, electronic cruise control, virtually maintenance free engineering, best in the business paint, chrome, fit and finish, tubeless radials and an unlimited 2 year warranty "technologically inferior" to anyone?

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MOKE1K

Dont agree, sorry Seruzawa the Japanese are after technology and rarely worry themselves with parts that are interchangable for the bikes they built way back when.

Harley has cornered the market with that concept which is fine and also the reason I probably will never own a Harley.

As a customer I want more than just interchangable parts from 1940. I want technology, more than what Harley offers. Truthfully I dont think they are junk, nor the Japanese bikes. They are just two different methods to building motorcycles. Sure Harley has alot of technology now, but the Japanese are usually the first ones with that technology.

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