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A Star Ride · 12-04-2009, 12:16 AM

my 14 gig internet speed is a AOL dial up clone
my avalanche is a model T Ford clone
my cellphone is a clone of whatever Alexander Graham Bell really intended
my climate controled house is a cave clone
my plastic cup is a "Im going down to the river for a drink of water" clone
my email, TXT messaging and IM's are Pony Express clones
my heated matress pad awaiting me is a 3 dog night clone
my Royal Star Tour Deluxe is a Road King clone

I kinda like the progress I've seen

A Star Ride · 12-04-2009, 07:11 AM

this is a clone/wannabee message board too

roadhamr · 12-04-2009, 09:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by longride

"dude get out of the house more!"

Here we go again. Just want everyone to note I didn't start this one.

"well the image in the rear view mirror keeps on getting bigger and it aint the mirror pally boy."

Really? Where did you get that impression? Reality check.

Victory Motorcycles Sales Down 56% - Cruiser Industry News - Motorcycle USA

"i dont know why you would get upset it can only make harley make a better bike.''

What would I exactly be 'upset' about by pointing out that Polaris has just made two very obvious copies of Harleys? They don't sell for crap because everyone knows what they are. Polaris even mentions Harley in it's ads. The one that seems upset is you. If you want to ride a Harley copy, please do so. No skin off my ass. Just realize exactly what it is, and why it is. Me pointing out the truth hardly qualifies as being 'upset'. And just to prove I'm a fair guy, I actually think the Vision is only the second ugliest bike ever made. How's that for fairness?

dont hide behind that crap longride you know what you said and you know how you intended it so now is not the time to be sheepish. go buy a hyabusa? are we in grade 2? victory sales went down 56% in a time when the economy is in the tank.
harley did not invent the motorcycle or even very many of its designs and concepts so everyone is copying everyone. the victory is a hands down technically superior bike. there is no argument to that at all.
it is great you feel the need to defend your beloved motor company so vehemently but i am offering an unbiased critique based on hands on experience and over 17 years in the motorcycle industry.
i look at all bikes the same they are merely a sum of their parts and everyone builds good ones but some are better than others at some things. it is hard to hold a candle to harley fit and finish it is second to none. but in terms of technological leaps there have been few. victory is an american motorcycle manufaturer that is building bikes for the people who like harleys but who are not satisfied with them performance wise. there is lots of room in the market for everyone.

Kevin_Duke · 12-05-2009, 10:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by A Star Ride

my 14 gig internet speed is a AOL dial up clone
my avalanche is a model T Ford clone
my cellphone is a clone of whatever Alexander Graham Bell really intended
my climate controled house is a cave clone
my plastic cup is a "Im going down to the river for a drink of water" clone
my email, TXT messaging and IM's are Pony Express clones
my heated matress pad awaiting me is a 3 dog night clone
my Royal Star Tour Deluxe is a Road King clone

I kinda like the progress I've seen

Nicely said.

seruzawa · 12-05-2009, 10:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by roadhamr

dont hide behind that crap longride you know what you said and you know how you intended it so now is not the time to be sheepish. go buy a hyabusa? are we in grade 2? victory sales went down 56% in a time when the economy is in the tank.
harley did not invent the motorcycle or even very many of its designs and concepts so everyone is copying everyone. the victory is a hands down technically superior bike. there is no argument to that at all.
it is great you feel the need to defend your beloved motor company so vehemently but i am offering an unbiased critique based on hands on experience and over 17 years in the motorcycle industry.
i look at all bikes the same they are merely a sum of their parts and everyone builds good ones but some are better than others at some things. it is hard to hold a candle to harley fit and finish it is second to none. but in terms of technological leaps there have been few. victory is an american motorcycle manufaturer that is building bikes for the people who like harleys but who are not satisfied with them performance wise. there is lots of room in the market for everyone.

Wow! 17 years!!

sarnali2 · 12-05-2009, 11:40 AM

Ummm...exactly who would Harley be copying?

mscuddy · 12-05-2009, 11:53 AM

http://home.ama-cycle.org/membersonl...6/Carb_600.jpg

Indian produced the first US Built V Twin motorcycle in 1905, a board-track racer.

Harley's first V Twin was 1909.

So who's copying who?

roadhamr · 12-06-2009, 02:13 PM

alot of harley's design ideas come from customizers not from their own design teams. they see and idea go out and buy it bring it back disect it and make it mass produceable. everyone copies everyone. the fat boy is a fine example and it was born in montreal. i am not putting down harley. their product makes alot of people happy. that is great. just dont make it more than it is. harleys on papaer often lose comparisons and still gain huge points when the seat of the pants comparison happens. they do what they do well. that is how and why they survive. but they have limitations. the victory is focusing on the same marketplace as the harley but those who want a bit more technology and performance. and not just in a straight line. the victoy's handle very well for the kind of bikes that they are. that is all i am saying.

silentgrayfellow · 12-07-2009, 05:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete_Brissette

For 2010 ABS is available on the Vision. I think the point in the article you were concurring with was that making ABS as an available option on the new Cross Country and/or Cross Roads would've been a prudent idea.

Thanks.

Thinks for the info, Pete. No, the point I was making is that I think they should have originally developed the Vision with ABS, not wait until 2010 to deploy it. And yes, would be a nice option on the Cross X bikes too.

roadhamr · 12-09-2009, 10:13 AM

with larger heavier bikes abs is a very nice thing to have. i have ridden lots of bikes with and without and i like abs. the new systems are especially good but even the older honda and bmw systems were not bad. on smaller lighter sport bikes i am not sure it is as neccesary but certainly the larger heavier touring bikes can sure use it.

12-04-2009, 12:16 AM	#31
A Star Ride Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: central Va Posts: 1,126	my 14 gig internet speed is a AOL dial up clone my avalanche is a model T Ford clone my cellphone is a clone of whatever Alexander Graham Bell really intended my climate controled house is a cave clone my plastic cup is a "Im going down to the river for a drink of water" clone my email, TXT messaging and IM's are Pony Express clones my heated matress pad awaiting me is a 3 dog night clone my Royal Star Tour Deluxe is a Road King clone I kinda like the progress I've seen __________________ White Trash Hick from Appalachia Last edited by A Star Ride : 12-04-2009 at 06:55 AM.

12-04-2009, 07:11 AM	#32
A Star Ride Registered Member Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: central Va Posts: 1,126	this is a clone/wannabee message board too __________________ White Trash Hick from Appalachia

12-05-2009, 11:40 AM	#36
sarnali2 Aging Cafe` Racer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sittin' down by my window, lookin' at the rain. Posts: 8,648	Ummm...exactly who would Harley be copying? __________________ "Carpe` Throttelum -Loud Suits Save Lives" "Denser alloy. My Father gave it to me, I think he wants me to kill you"... CVF-FCV

12-05-2009, 11:53 AM	#37
mscuddy MODERATOR X Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Next to my still checkin the temp. Posts: 5,447	This maybe? http://home.ama-cycle.org/membersonl...6/Carb_600.jpg Indian produced the first US Built V Twin motorcycle in 1905, a board-track racer. Harley's first V Twin was 1909. So who's copying who? __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

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12-06-2009, 02:13 PM	#38
roadhamr Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: kawartha lakes ontario, canada Posts: 23	alot of harley's design ideas come from customizers not from their own design teams. they see and idea go out and buy it bring it back disect it and make it mass produceable. everyone copies everyone. the fat boy is a fine example and it was born in montreal. i am not putting down harley. their product makes alot of people happy. that is great. just dont make it more than it is. harleys on papaer often lose comparisons and still gain huge points when the seat of the pants comparison happens. they do what they do well. that is how and why they survive. but they have limitations. the victory is focusing on the same marketplace as the harley but those who want a bit more technology and performance. and not just in a straight line. the victoy's handle very well for the kind of bikes that they are. that is all i am saying.

12-09-2009, 10:13 AM	#40
roadhamr Registered Member Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: kawartha lakes ontario, canada Posts: 23	with larger heavier bikes abs is a very nice thing to have. i have ridden lots of bikes with and without and i like abs. the new systems are especially good but even the older honda and bmw systems were not bad. on smaller lighter sport bikes i am not sure it is as neccesary but certainly the larger heavier touring bikes can sure use it.