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Kenneth_Moore · 08-09-2009, 02:16 PM

Wow Matt, you really are a Steely-Eyed Motojourno! I'll have to get you to autograph my gas tank when you visit FL this Fall.

Guess you were right in all those rants on the 4 stroke dirt bikes:

maintenance will come sooner than with the previous design. I’d say 16-18 hours

Sheese, is that...ok???

Kevin_Duke · 08-09-2009, 07:16 PM

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Originally Posted by mscuddy

These new bikes were going fast around the track, but no faster than an an older CR250. I can remember seeing people rail around a big berm WFO on a 210 lb. two stroke, that's putting out even more hp. Seems like with the four strikers it's point-n-shoot. 40 lbs. is 40 lbs. I guess.

C'mon, Matt. Now that you're a published motojournalist, let's keep an eye on the facts. Yamaha says the wet weight for an aluminum-framed new YZ250 is said to be 229 lbs wet. YZ450F: 238 lbs. Also, I don't think any stock 250cc 2-stroke made over 50 hp.

mscuddy · 08-09-2009, 08:43 PM

Well, a 2000 CR250 Honda put out 45 horsepower, stock. Not too shabby. Wet weight was 223 lbs stock. A little porting, a new pipe, carb and 50 hp was no sweat. Add an aluminum sidewinder sprocket set, some ti bits here and there, 210 lbs. was easy to achieve.

And a 2008 YZ250 put out 47 hp. Last I checked Yamaha has quit making a two stroke 125 and 250 for 2010. Too bad.

Thanks for keeping me honest there KD...

Kevin_Duke · 08-09-2009, 11:59 PM

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Originally Posted by mscuddy

And a 2008 YZ250 put out 47 hp. Last I checked Yamaha has quit making a two stroke 125 and 250 for 2010. Too bad.

Thanks for keeping me honest there KD...

Lucky for 2-smoke fans, KTM is still keeping the hazy dream alive!

pplassm · 08-10-2009, 04:54 AM

Good write-up, Matt. I guess the days of restoring a 10 year bike for trail riding are long gone.

That being said, I couldn't be happier with my KTM525EXC.

mscuddy · 08-10-2009, 07:48 AM

Yeah my regular dirt riding buddy went from a KX500 to a KTM EXC525, loves it. Fast bike too. When he was in the groove I couldn't keep him in sight. We got on El Mirage dry lake, for a drag race. I had a GPS in my pocket, I pulled the KTM by about 20 bike lengths. The GPS said I was doing 97 MPH. His 525 topped out at 92 mph. Maybe gearing or something, as I though for sure the 525 would have my CR on top, but no.

MOKE1K · 08-12-2009, 08:11 AM

Nice bike. However I think the four strokes have come along way. The 2strokes will be dearly missed. Hopefully Yamaha will continue producing their 250. But I doubt it.

mscuddy · 08-12-2009, 08:18 AM

2009 was the last year for the yz125 & 250 two stroke models from Yamaha. The end of an era.

I'm sure 2 strokes will be back in a cleaner form, with sealed 4 stroke type lower ends, and no pre-mix for the green crowd. They make too much power, and are too reliable to go away completley.

Also that's why the vintage/classic/bomber classes have taken off lately. And why I got $1,200.00 for a 22 year old CR500.

pplassm · 08-12-2009, 11:32 AM

Shoot, I sold my old '97 CR500 for $1700.

Then turned around and bought a pristine 2001 CR500 for $2500. Worth every penny!

MOKE1K · 08-12-2009, 11:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mscuddy

2009 was the last year for the yz125 & 250 two stroke models from Yamaha. The end of an era.

I'm sure 2 strokes will be back in a cleaner form, with sealed 4 stroke type lower ends, and no pre-mix for the green crowd. They make too much power, and are too reliable to go away completley.

Also that's why the vintage/classic/bomber classes have taken off lately. And why I got $1,200.00 for a 22 year old CR500.

I know in 2006 we could still order Cr5's or Kx500 new. Figured Yamaha wouldnt make the 2strokes anymore after this year, but I can dream.

08-09-2009, 02:16 PM	#11
Kenneth_Moore Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: VIsiting the GIft Shop in the Pit of DIspair Posts: 7,118	Wow Matt, you really are a Steely-Eyed Motojourno! I'll have to get you to autograph my gas tank when you visit FL this Fall. Guess you were right in all those rants on the 4 stroke dirt bikes: maintenance will come sooner than with the previous design. I’d say 16-18 hours Sheese, is that...ok??? __________________ www.kennethmoore.org

08-09-2009, 08:43 PM	#13
mscuddy MODERATOR X Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Next to my still checkin the temp. Posts: 5,447	Well, a 2000 CR250 Honda put out 45 horsepower, stock. Not too shabby. Wet weight was 223 lbs stock. A little porting, a new pipe, carb and 50 hp was no sweat. Add an aluminum sidewinder sprocket set, some ti bits here and there, 210 lbs. was easy to achieve. And a 2008 YZ250 put out 47 hp. Last I checked Yamaha has quit making a two stroke 125 and 250 for 2010. Too bad. Thanks for keeping me honest there KD... __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that. Last edited by mscuddy : 08-09-2009 at 09:02 PM.

08-10-2009, 04:54 AM	#15
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Good write-up, Matt. I guess the days of restoring a 10 year bike for trail riding are long gone. That being said, I couldn't be happier with my KTM525EXC. __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

08-10-2009, 07:48 AM	#16
mscuddy MODERATOR X Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Next to my still checkin the temp. Posts: 5,447	Yeah my regular dirt riding buddy went from a KX500 to a KTM EXC525, loves it. Fast bike too. When he was in the groove I couldn't keep him in sight. We got on El Mirage dry lake, for a drag race. I had a GPS in my pocket, I pulled the KTM by about 20 bike lengths. The GPS said I was doing 97 MPH. His 525 topped out at 92 mph. Maybe gearing or something, as I though for sure the 525 would have my CR on top, but no. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

08-12-2009, 08:11 AM	#17
MOKE1K Registered Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Kalapana, Big Island Posts: 3,992	Nice bike. However I think the four strokes have come along way. The 2strokes will be dearly missed. Hopefully Yamaha will continue producing their 250. But I doubt it. __________________ "YOU CAN'T BOLT ON SKILL"

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08-12-2009, 08:18 AM	#18
mscuddy MODERATOR X Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Next to my still checkin the temp. Posts: 5,447	2009 was the last year for the yz125 & 250 two stroke models from Yamaha. The end of an era. I'm sure 2 strokes will be back in a cleaner form, with sealed 4 stroke type lower ends, and no pre-mix for the green crowd. They make too much power, and are too reliable to go away completley. Also that's why the vintage/classic/bomber classes have taken off lately. And why I got $1,200.00 for a 22 year old CR500. __________________ A gun is a tool, Marian; no better or no worse than any other tool: an axe, a shovel or anything. A gun is as good or as bad as the man using it. Remember that.

08-12-2009, 11:32 AM	#19
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Shoot, I sold my old '97 CR500 for $1700. Then turned around and bought a pristine 2001 CR500 for $2500. Worth every penny! __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.