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Old 07-24-2009, 10:35 AM   #31
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How many do they sell these bikes? I have never seen one in real life. I have only been living in South America and Europe during Victory's existence but still.

On the other hand, these engineers at Polaris seem to know what they are doing. The other day I read a snow mobile comparo and what do you know they won. May not sound too remarkable but hey, its the only comparo I have ever seen in a respectable European publication that an American vehicle wins.

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Old 07-24-2009, 10:37 AM   #32
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Sure. Le Surrender is the favorite all across Yurup. Published in France, and translated for the rest of the Socialists.
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Old 07-24-2009, 12:10 PM   #33
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Sure. Le Surrender is the favorite all across Yurup. Published in France, and translated for the rest of the Socialists.
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Old 07-25-2009, 02:22 PM   #34
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Sure. Le Surrender is the favorite all across Yurup. Published in France, and translated for the rest of the Socialists.
I've always wondered where you guys get these "cheese eating surrender monkey" ideas about the frenchies. They are pompous perfumed pansies as far as I am concerned but cowards they are not.

If you compare the number of combined military deaths in the two world wars, the score is 0.55 million yanks and 1.6 million french. If you scale this to the relative sizes of the populations, the french beat you 8-1. This is when it comes to actual blood spilled in a battle. So this surrender monkey idea does seem a bit odd. I blame the poor education.

The Germans did run over them in the WW2 but at that point of time they were so magnificiently efficient, well trained and equipped that they would have clobbered even the good old US of A, had it been located in the old continent. Luckily it was not. We would be writing these drivels in German, mein herr Langfahrt.

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Old 07-25-2009, 03:51 PM   #35
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I've always wondered where you guys get these "cheese eating surrender monkey" ideas about the frenchies. They are pompous perfumed pansies as far as I am concerned but cowards they are not.

If you compare the number of combined military deaths in the two world wars, the score is 0.55 million yanks and 1.6 million french. If you scale this to the relative sizes of the populations, the french beat you 8-1. This is when it comes to actual blood spilled in a battle. So this surrender monkey idea does seem a bit odd. I blame the poor education.

The Germans did run over them in the WW2 but at that point of time they were so magnificiently efficient, well trained and equipped that they would have clobbered even the good old US of A, had it been located in the old continent. Luckily it was not. We would be writing these drivels in German, mein herr Langfahrt.

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We didn't enter WWI until 1917 at which time large portions of France were occupied by the Germans and the war had already raged 3 years. The fresh infusion of American troops as well as the introduction of the tank turned the tide. We lost a large amount of soldiers for the short period that we were involved. In WWII the French declared Paris an open city and didn't defend the capital. Let us not forget the Vichy who collaborated with the Nazis and sent Jews east. Comparatively, the Ruskies bled the Nazis dry in Stalingrad and would have fought to the last bottle of vodka. In both cases the United States provided the manpower and the resources to restore France.
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Old 07-25-2009, 04:31 PM   #36
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We didn't enter WWI until 1917 at which time large portions of France were occupied by the Germans and the war had already raged 3 years. The fresh infusion of American troops as well as the introduction of the tank turned the tide. We lost a large amount of soldiers for the short period that we were involved. In WWII the French declared Paris an open city and didn't defend the capital. Let us not forget the Vichy who collaborated with the Nazis and sent Jews east. Comparatively, the Ruskies bled the Nazis dry in Stalingrad and would have fought to the last bottle of vodka. In both cases the United States provided the manpower and the resources to restore France.
Yes, but you can't blame the French troops and only a fool would underestimate the French Army today. The French failure in WWII was a result of their Army being led by the most incompetent Generals in history. They inflicted massive casualties on the Germans and suffered huge casualties themselves. Yes, it was a quick war but not a cowardly surrender. No one was ready for the blitzkrieg and the US Army at the time would have done no better. Don't think for a second that the effeteness shown by the French citizenry is reflected in their military any more than you would judge the US Army by observing Berkeley, Ca.

We can make fun of the French in general for being socialists, but apparently today they are less socialist than our own Administration.
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I'm not slamming the French soldier, just the leadership; military and civilian. The leadership in France planned for the wrong war and diverted resources that could have been used to modernize and train to the Maginot Line. Their tactics were based around the premise that the line would hold the Germans at bay. Needless to say that proved to be a major error as the Nazis just went around it and proved that static defenses were a thing of the past.

The government did surrender rather than fight and destroy Paris. They also collaborated to the point they had troops fight for the Nazis against us and they were complicit in the murder of thousands of Jews.

I agree the American Army would have been routed initially as well because we did the same thing. After WWI we drew down our military and spent next to nothing modernizing. Made the same mistake in Korea after WWII.

While I believe the Russians would have gone down blazing and left only rubble they did have couple of advantages the French didn't have, space and brutal winters.
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Old 07-27-2009, 06:09 AM   #38
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Nice looking bikes. Vic owners have been clamoring for a proper bagger since the TC went the way of the DoDo.

Very nice adaptation of the Core technology, IMO. I like them both, but would have to say I prefer the look of the full fairing over the windshield.
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I'm not slamming the French soldier, just the leadership; military and civilian. The leadership in France planned for the wrong war and diverted resources that could have been used to modernize and train to the Maginot Line. Their tactics were based around the premise that the line would hold the Germans at bay. Needless to say that proved to be a major error as the Nazis just went around it and proved that static defenses were a thing of the past.

The government did surrender rather than fight and destroy Paris. They also collaborated to the point they had troops fight for the Nazis against us and they were complicit in the murder of thousands of Jews.

I agree the American Army would have been routed initially as well because we did the same thing. After WWI we drew down our military and spent next to nothing modernizing. Made the same mistake in Korea after WWII.

While I believe the Russians would have gone down blazing and left only rubble they did have couple of advantages the French didn't have, space and brutal winters.
I must say I agree pretty much with everything you say here.

However, I still claim that it is patently absurd for the yanks to call the frogs surrender monkeys because the Germans overwhelmed them in WW2. They had to surrender because they lost. Most of the countries in Europe capitulated in one time or other, including Germany.

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Old 07-27-2009, 10:48 AM   #40
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1. 15lbs lighter than the Roadking doesn't make the VIctory the Lightest. It makes it lighter, and not by much. Compared to these porkers, the Triumph Thunderbird at 675 is lightest, though it doesn't have hardbags.
2. When will we start seeing VIctorys on the road?
3. Nessie styling is so last decade. Nothing enduring about it.
4. Why didn't VIctory build a modern, light weight V-4 tourer or sport tourer to compete with the Goldwing or BMW or Concourse, instead of this disfunctional V-twin cylinder, tiresome, overweight, caricature retromodern that still no one wants? That Vision, wow. What a clown! What were they thinking? THese just look like more of the same old same old.

5. The Harley crowd wants Harleys, and it isn't a Harley. Get over it and get on with it. I don't think they even want Harleys that much any more. I give VIctory one more year. They still haven't sold any motorcycles that I've ever seen on the road.

6. Stupid nomenclature.
7. Get rid of Ness.
8. Go for SImple, lightweight, clean, functional, small, inexpensive, not over designed, not motorcycle on acid. Who want sto see that thing every time you open the garage? I sure don't.
9. Post photos of Honda Fury on the designer's office wall and think, Wow, we could have made a V-4 Fury.
10. Triumph THunderbird in-line twin at 675lbs. is starting to look mighty good.
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