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Old 06-29-2009, 10:56 PM   #1
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Default Importing 250r's

My father and I was thinking about importing Honda cbr250rr ....and/or Suzuki gsx250rr

Honda CBR250 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Suzuki GSX-R250 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

It may turn into a small buisness.

However,

We have a few questions

1.why America does not import 250r's?

2.how many people would like to have the honda cbr250r or suzuki gsx250r in the united states?

3.if we can import those models, how and where would we test the emissions for our imports?
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Old 06-30-2009, 03:57 AM   #2
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The limited market for thses bikes does not justify the expense of bringing them into the US, meeting EPA and DOT requirements, maintaining parts inventory, training support personnel, a bunch of other support activities.

In addition, the price of the bike would likely be prohibitive. These bikes were targeted for markets that have tiered licensing, forcing riders to spent a number of years on smaller bikes. They are as expensive (or more) to manufacture as larger bikes. In a tiered lincensing scenario, the riders will pay a premium for the bikes to have the fastest 250. In the US, why not just get a bigger bike?

If there was sufficient demand for these tiddlers, the factories would have them over here. It's much easier to satisfy the demand with 600's and 650's marketed as "beginner bikes", and already certified for sale on theworld market.

Most of the large manufacturers have internal testing facilities to certify EPA compliance. I read somewhere that there are two private testing facilities in the US that can perform the necessary tests with EPA approval. IIRC, the cost could be as much as $1 million per engine family.

There are ways around EPA certification, but it all breaks down once you start selling the bikes to other people. Ask Jesse James. He paid a huge fine to the EPA and CARB for emissions violations. Not something you want to get caught doing.

DOT is a little easier, requiring photographic proof of certain safety features, but nothing is guaranteed.

There are already people doing what you are contemplating, however, they are, by necessity, staying low to the ground, under the radar.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:47 AM   #3
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"To import them legally"? Sure if you have endless pockets. Most of those bikes that exist here in the U.S today are here illegally. Knew a guy once that brought a nsr250 back in seperate suitcases. Military guy. They actually get them registered and ride em on the street.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:51 AM   #4
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1. No one buys them.

2. Maybe 10 people.

3. Contact the USDOT and the EPA. Have a few million spare bucks handy.
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Old 06-30-2009, 06:58 AM   #5
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These bikes aren't even being produced anymore ... if you were going to import and resell motorcycles, wouldn't you go with one that's currently in production, just not available?
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Old 06-30-2009, 07:27 AM   #6
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Default Reasons to not import

1- Our licensing system doesn't dictate a "starter" cc size. That being the case- no one cares for bikes under 500cc no matter how cool we think they'd be.
2- Importing means convertion. Do you really want to spend money importing bikes that have to have new speedos, lighting, and exhaust mods to meet EPA and DOT requirements.
3- You'll have to find a customs house, inspector, insurance and licensing.
4- You'll have to buy at least $1mil in CGL, Shopkeepers and Floorplanning insurance.

Want me to go on?

Here's what you need to do. Start small and buy vintage bikes in smaller cc sizes. Buy models that have easily reproduced parts (like Honda CB models). Market to the old guys that like to buy nice toys but have no time for DIY restorations. Pick the bikes up for between $300-$600. Put another $500-$1000 into the bike and sell them for between $2000-$2500. If you make $500 a bike you will be make the same profit as most modern bike shops- after expenses.

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Old 06-30-2009, 11:17 AM   #7
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Here's what you need to do. Start small and buy vintage bikes in smaller cc sizes. Buy models that have easily reproduced parts (like Honda CB models). Market to the old guys that like to buy nice toys but have no time for DIY restorations. Pick the bikes up for between $300-$600. Put another $500-$1000 into the bike and sell them for between $2000-$2500. If you make $500 a bike you will be make the same profit as most modern bike shops- after expenses.
There are three shops in my city that do exactly that. They seem to be thriving, while the big-box shops are laying people off, cutting inventory, etc.
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Old 06-30-2009, 11:24 AM   #8
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1- Our licensing system doesn't dictate a "starter" cc size. That being the case- no one cares for bikes under 500cc no matter how cool we think they'd be.
2- Importing means convertion. Do you really want to spend money importing bikes that have to have new speedos, lighting, and exhaust mods to meet EPA and DOT requirements.
3- You'll have to find a customs house, inspector, insurance and licensing.
4- You'll have to buy at least $1mil in CGL, Shopkeepers and Floorplanning insurance.

Want me to go on?

Here's what you need to do. Start small and buy vintage bikes in smaller cc sizes. Buy models that have easily reproduced parts (like Honda CB models). Market to the old guys that like to buy nice toys but have no time for DIY restorations. Pick the bikes up for between $300-$600. Put another $500-$1000 into the bike and sell them for between $2000-$2500. If you make $500 a bike you will be make the same profit as most modern bike shops- after expenses.

Good Luck- K

I'd buy one.
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