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seruzawa · 05-27-2009, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by longride

I usually check out this article when I am having a few beers before going for a ride.

One of our society's superstitious mystical jujus is to solemnly agree about the dangers of drinking and driving, even though these campaigns have absolutely no effect of any kind on the problem drinkers who cause fatalities. A life sentence for driving drunk with a revoked license would do more than any number of feel good billboards and public service announcements.

sarnali2 · 05-27-2009, 06:43 AM

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Originally Posted by longride

I usually check out this article when I am having a few beers before going for a ride.

I print it and use it to roll a couple of blunts in case I find somewhere nice to stop...

motonaut · 05-27-2009, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by rshondo

Is this an American problem, or is drinking and riding prevalent all around the world?

Between races at the isle of mann there's nothing like it!

ericrosten · 05-27-2009, 11:29 AM

Where's the real problem? Is it the motorcycle? No. Is it the rider? No. Is it the alcohol...funny, no. Rather it's the consuming of alcohol that's the real problem. Of all the divorce, abuse, fatalities, accidents, innocent lives smuthered, crime, suicide, health related death, and also what the drinkers will not admit...the demonic stuff they often see, we as a nation get tired of trying to tell people to "limit" their consuming, and try another tactic...redifining alcoholism, calling it a "disease." Well, if it's a disease, then it's the only disease we bottle and sell off a shelf.

Really, consuming alcohol is not the real problem either, it's a symptom of the real problem, that being people hate their lives and cannot seem to satisfy their problems in any other way than smothering their brains and bodies in a substance that destroys them.

The government and society can try to snuff out alcohol if they want to, but there will always be people drinking because "they want to." If you can remove the "want to," then you have effectively eliminated drinking and driving, and drinking altogether. If it was a matter of having brains or willpower, then will all the alcohol facts that abound, why don't they do it? You can muzzle a dog to prevent him biting, but can you remove the bite from the dog? Hmmm...

pplassm · 05-27-2009, 12:00 PM

Haven't we figured it out yet? People will always want to alter their brain chemistry. Choose your drug. Nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, pot, Peruvian Marching Powder. Whatever.

I don't think it's escapism. My life is pretty decent, and I like to drink. Maybe it's part of being human.

Should we ride/drive after drinking? Nope. We do it anyway. No amount of draconian measures will ever completely eliminate DUIs/DWIs/OUIs.

Some point out that Europan countries have lower levels of detectable violations, and that their attitudes towards alcohol use explains it. I used to believe that. Now, after seeing plenty of partying in Europe, and around the world, I think they just hide it better. They also are concentrated in urban environments, where people can walk home, or use public transportation.

seruzawa · 05-27-2009, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by pplassm

Haven't we figured it out yet? People will always want to alter their brain chemistry. Choose your drug. Nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, pot, Peruvian Marching Powder. Whatever.

I don't think it's escapism. My life is pretty decent, and I like to drink. Maybe it's part of being human.

Should we ride/drive after drinking? Nope. We do it anyway. No amount of draconian measures will ever completely eliminate DUIs/DWIs/OUIs.

Some point out that Europan countries have lower levels of detectable violations, and that their attitudes towards alcohol use explains it. I used to believe that. Now, after seeing plenty of partying in Europe, and around the world, I think they just hide it better. They also are concentrated in urban environments, where people can walk home, or use public transportation.

For some reason there's a large segment of society in the USA that accepts this "Europeans are better because...." blather. People are people everywhere. Most are decent. Some are jerks. A small minority are dangerously evil and cause 90% of the problems.

longride · 05-27-2009, 12:38 PM

"A small minority are dangerously evil and cause 90% of the problems."

These people usually end up as a government official.

The_AirHawk · 05-27-2009, 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by pplassm

Haven't we figured it out yet? People will always want to alter their brain chemistry.

You don't WANT none of this Shyte!

YouTube - Dewey Cox - Get out of here Dewey!

motonaut · 05-27-2009, 04:46 PM

Wow does it make everything better like that? I have to have me some of that shyte. I'll have to remember to pull over if I see Sarnali2 stopped at a good spot!

V2Rider · 05-27-2009, 06:57 PM

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Originally Posted by The_AirHawk

You don't WANT none of this Shyte!

YouTube - Dewey Cox - Get out of here Dewey!

And you never bought drugs, not once!

05-27-2009, 12:00 PM	#35
pplassm Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Posts: 3,875	Haven't we figured it out yet? People will always want to alter their brain chemistry. Choose your drug. Nicotine, caffeine, alcohol, pot, Peruvian Marching Powder. Whatever. I don't think it's escapism. My life is pretty decent, and I like to drink. Maybe it's part of being human. Should we ride/drive after drinking? Nope. We do it anyway. No amount of draconian measures will ever completely eliminate DUIs/DWIs/OUIs. Some point out that Europan countries have lower levels of detectable violations, and that their attitudes towards alcohol use explains it. I used to believe that. Now, after seeing plenty of partying in Europe, and around the world, I think they just hide it better. They also are concentrated in urban environments, where people can walk home, or use public transportation. __________________ Mongo just pawn in game of life.

05-27-2009, 12:38 PM	#37
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	"A small minority are dangerously evil and cause 90% of the problems." These people usually end up as a government official. __________________ I'm a knucklehead

05-27-2009, 04:46 PM	#39
motonaut Registered Member Join Date: May 2009 Location: GSP exit 44 Posts: 26	Wow does it make everything better like that? I have to have me some of that shyte. I'll have to remember to pull over if I see Sarnali2 stopped at a good spot! __________________ Clear for landing!

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05-27-2009, 11:29 AM	#34
ericrosten Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 41	Where's the real problem? Is it the motorcycle? No. Is it the rider? No. Is it the alcohol...funny, no. Rather it's the consuming of alcohol that's the real problem. Of all the divorce, abuse, fatalities, accidents, innocent lives smuthered, crime, suicide, health related death, and also what the drinkers will not admit...the demonic stuff they often see, we as a nation get tired of trying to tell people to "limit" their consuming, and try another tactic...redifining alcoholism, calling it a "disease." Well, if it's a disease, then it's the only disease we bottle and sell off a shelf. Really, consuming alcohol is not the real problem either, it's a symptom of the real problem, that being people hate their lives and cannot seem to satisfy their problems in any other way than smothering their brains and bodies in a substance that destroys them. The government and society can try to snuff out alcohol if they want to, but there will always be people drinking because "they want to." If you can remove the "want to," then you have effectively eliminated drinking and driving, and drinking altogether. If it was a matter of having brains or willpower, then will all the alcohol facts that abound, why don't they do it? You can muzzle a dog to prevent him biting, but can you remove the bite from the dog? Hmmm...