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Old 03-02-2009, 02:02 PM   #111
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Europe is a a lot more conservative? You haven't been traveling much east of Kentucky. Fact is we don't have tradiotional V2 cruisers dominating the scene. The main thing is the Bombers with blown gixxers or the heavy adventure bike lot. Us the traditional cruiser guys are really a blip on the screen. We don't even get any *****.

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Well if Europe is mainly riding ATs and Bombers then that would make it just as conservative as the USA with mainly RRs and V2s, right?
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Old 03-02-2009, 02:53 PM   #112
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Old 03-02-2009, 04:55 PM   #113
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Of course. Any motorcycle is largely an emotional purchase. In fact, so are most things we buy, whether we realize it or not.

The thing is, to some people, H-Ds and BMWs have a perceived emotional value commensurate with their prices. Do you think this bike has the same appeal? I doubt it.

My point is that this bike has no significant market. In the absence of the chopper craze, which is long gone, it's just another basic cruiser with a long wheelbase. Being that the craze was just fashion and centered on lots of people who probably weren't all that interested in motorcycles to begin with, I doubt that there are significant numbers of people who were waiting for an affordable, Big-4-made chopper. If there were, H-D would have sold a lot of Rockers.

Remember the Rocker? It came out last year to nearly identical fanfare and reviews. I haven't heard a word about it since.
My Harley riding friends, without exception, find the Rocker to be one of the ugliest styling exercises since the V-Rod. Plus, it came at a time when people are no longer able to refinance their homes, so virtually all Harley sales dropped. I'll give you that Honda is coming out with this too late, but a few years ago when they embarked on their engineering task of building this bike, I'm sure they knew there was a gamble of the market changing. But when you're at the leading edge of motorcycle production, you absolutely must take chances. The MT-01 was another such chance.

I personally don't care whether the Fury is a sales success or not, but I happen to like it and am even considering buying one. Biggest downside for me is the sound of the VTX motor with an aftermarket exhaust- they sound like farting under water.
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:06 PM   #114
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My Harley riding friends, without exception, find the Rocker to be one of the ugliest styling exercises since the V-Rod. Plus, it came at a time when people are no longer able to refinance their homes, so virtually all Harley sales dropped. I'll give you that Honda is coming out with this too late, but a few years ago when they embarked on their engineering task of building this bike, I'm sure they knew there was a gamble of the market changing. But when you're at the leading edge of motorcycle production, you absolutely must take chances. The MT-01 was another such chance.

I personally don't care whether the Fury is a sales success or not, but I happen to like it and am even considering buying one. Biggest downside for me is the sound of the VTX motor with an aftermarket exhaust- they sound like farting under water.
Maybe but Honda hasn't been at the leading edge for some years now. The fact that it took so many years to put out a new bike when Honda used to be able to do it in far less time in the 70s speaks volumes..
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Old 03-02-2009, 05:17 PM   #115
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My Harley riding friends, without exception, find the Rocker to be one of the ugliest styling exercises since the V-Rod.
Maybe they need a brain scan? Of all of the harleys out there the V-rod is probably the best looking except maybe the XR1200
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Old 03-03-2009, 04:48 AM   #116
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Well if Europe is mainly riding ATs and Bombers then that would make it just as conservative as the USA with mainly RRs and V2s, right?
Depends what you mean by conservative. Blown gixxers don't first come into my mind.

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Depends what you mean by conservative. Blown gixxers don't first come into my mind.

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One definition of "conservative" is simply a resistance to change. If everyone has to own a blown gixxer and refuses to change then that is a conservative, even reactionary, position. That's why we laugh at liberals. They are the new reactionaries who refuse any change and viciously attack anyone who threatens their criminal intentions, all the while pretending to be progressive. For that token the race replica crowd in the USA are reactionaries too. Just listen to their constant mantra of hate towards all other bike types.
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Old 03-03-2009, 08:55 AM   #118
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Europe is a a lot more conservative? You haven't been traveling much east of Kentucky. Fact is we don't have tradiotional V2 cruisers dominating the scene. The main thing is the Bombers with blown gixxers or the heavy adventure bike lot. Us the traditional cruiser guys are really a blip on the screen. We don't even get any *****.

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You can't say "****", you have to say "man-love"
or " a good Rodgering"

carry on........
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You can't say "****", you have to say "man-love"
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carry on........
One place I worked, the Boiler Chemical Salesmook was named "Don Manlove". As bad as "Creech" is (my own name), were it "Manlove", I would surely change it to "Smith" or "Hussein" or "Crapper" or something other than that..............
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One place I worked, the Boiler Chemical Salesmook was named "Don Manlove". As bad as "Creech" is (my own name), were it "Manlove", I would surely change it to "Smith" or "Hussein" or "Crapper" or something other than that..............
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