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Old 02-12-2009, 03:24 AM   #11
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Whoops.

Bike #1. Honda Cub 4.5hp

Bike #2. Kawasaki W2SS-650 45hp.

Actually it's not a natural progression, it's a natural selection. Sure, one is better off starting on a smaller Bike. But it's a self-regulating function. An idiot will go for an R1 as a first bike and kill himself. But, being an idiot he'd most likely kill himself on a Ninja250 also. A wiser person will make the wiser choice. But he'd likely survive a bad choice.

Rule #1 of Motorcycle riding: If you are an idiot DON'T.
There are always exceptions to the rule. No offense, but at 4.5 hp it sounds like a Honda Cub is more like a moped and less like a motorcycle (power-wise), rendering the Rule invalid. Your first "real" bike was the W2SS-650. What was the third? The Rule implies that the first bike has at or near 40-50 horsepower, as most "starter" bikes today.
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Old 02-12-2009, 05:27 AM   #12
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I don't think there's any "natural progression". At least not in my world. My motorcycle purchases are governed by what I need/want at a particular time, available funds, and having the right bike pass my field of vision.

I think everybody should have at least 4 bikes:

1. Dedicated motocrosser
2. Competition off-raod bike for gnarly conditions and serious trail riding
3. Road worthy quiet dual sport for running to the grocery store, and local trail scouting
4. Trials bike to scare people

Oh, you might want a street bike, too.
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Old 02-12-2009, 06:23 AM   #13
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There are always exceptions to the rule. No offense, but at 4.5 hp it sounds like a Honda Cub is more like a moped and less like a motorcycle (power-wise), rendering the Rule invalid. Your first "real" bike was the W2SS-650. What was the third? The Rule implies that the first bike has at or near 40-50 horsepower, as most "starter" bikes today.
Bike #3- 1954 BSA 500 single. Maybe 25 hp.

Bike #4- Yamaha 80 Trailmaster. Maybe 7 hp.

Bike #5- 1967 Ducati 250 Scrambler. Maybe 20 hp.

Bike #6- 1954 AJS 500 twin. Maybe 30 hp.

Bike #7- 1971 Yamaha R5. 35hp? Actually the quickest bike of all.

Looks more eclectic than progressive. But then everyone should know that I'm not a Commun... er I mean a Progressive by now.
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:15 AM   #14
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My first bike was a Ninja 250. But if I'd had the money at the time, I'd have bought a Z750S as my first bike. And my first wake up call on the 250 was when I was going too fast to make a turn onto another street and squeezed the brakes to do it anyway; a bit of an adrenaline rush, there.

My second bike was the Blackbird, which probably doesn't fit the 50% hp rule If I hadn't gotten the Blackbird, I'd probably have gotten an SV1000S instead.

And my third bike is (finally) the Z750S. If I had gotten something like a Kawi 650R as my first bike, there'd be no reason to "move up" because it does all I need on the street/highway already. But I'm pretty sure I would still have gotten a Blackbird or an SV1000S as my second bike under those circumstances. With a "standard" bike (Z750S), and a "sport" bike (Blackbird), all my street needs are met, and I am one happy dude!
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:24 AM   #15
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I would say that the "natural" or stepped progression would be a 600 supersport, a 675 triple or a liter v-twin. The most powerful of this bunch would probably be the triple, but in its case it's very linear so the rush of power wouldn't be/feel as rapid. The twin would probably be the most "controllable" but at the exspense of weight. I would think that in the end you would look to the power to weight ratio and step from a 70+ hp bike to between 90-110 hp in your progression. But that's just me.
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Old 02-12-2009, 07:52 AM   #16
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I went from clapped out '74 Yamaha 175 Enduro to a clapped out basket case '79 XS650S to a '94 Honda Shadow VLX to an '87 Shadow 1100 to a '94 Magna to a lot of time on a Softail Deuce back to the same '87 Shadow 1100 to a '99 Concours.
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:04 AM   #17
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I've always believed you should start in the dirt if possible. My first bike was a Hodaka Super Rat, second was a Yamaha 360MX, third was a 380 CZ. I raced MX for 10 years before I owned a street bike. After I got out of the Navy I started street riding:

'80 Kawasaki 750t
'76 Shovelhead chopper
'78 Sportster Hot Rod
'75 Yamaha YZ 250
'71 Yamaha Mini-Enduro
'75 Sportster
'80 Shovelhead FLHP
'83 Kawasaki GPZ750
'85 BMW K100RS
'79 BMW R100RT
'84 Honda V65 Sabre
'86 Kawasaki ZX1000R
'95 CB750 Nighthawk
'80 GL1100 Interstate
'97 VFR 750
'01 Bandit 1200S
'02 BMW R1150RT
'02 Triumph Trophy
'05 Thruxton
'05 Superglide
'06 Triumph T100
'05 Superglide bobber
'02 Bandit 1200S
'08 FLHT...

Might have missed a few but I think that's it. A definate progression though from a 100 cc dirt bike to a 96 inch touring bike..
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Old 02-12-2009, 08:44 AM   #18
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Well, while I agree with the posts above; get more power when you're ready, my list is very, very short.

First bike -Used 1988 FXRS (2-1340cc)

Used 2000 Sprint ST (3-955cc) - totaled. Not my fault. Really!

New 2003 Sprint ST (3-955cc)
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Old 02-12-2009, 09:19 AM   #19
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I went with the double rule, well sort of:

4 hp B&S bonanza long frame mini bike
71 Yamaha Mini Enduro 60
73 Kawasaki 175
78 Suzuki RM 250
81 Honda CR 480
00 Kawasaki KLR 650
02 BMW K1200RS
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Old 02-12-2009, 10:44 AM   #20
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1. Honda Mini Trail
2. SL 100
3. CL 175
4. CB 350
5. CB750
6. VFR 800
7. R1150RA
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