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Kevin_Duke · 01-10-2009, 12:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Pete_Brissette

"In fact, I'd rate the Tuono's low-speed fueling as worse than the Buell's."

And here's what makes riding bikes, and in the case of these three, so fun: everyone has a different experience.

Kaming and I felt the Buell to be quite difficult at times to ride at low rpm/small throttle openings. In our two opinions, the Tuono's abruptness as noted by Kevin was easily overshadowed by the Buell.

Even the "pros" don't always agree entirely.

As the person who rode the Tuono most in low-speed riding around town, I was able to do repeat testing of the Aprilia's fueling in these situations, and they weren't good. I think if Pete had the amount of time around town as I did, he'd be similarly annoyed. The Tuono's dyno results also showed a significant problem below 3500 rpm.

ShamanWS6 · 01-10-2009, 06:42 PM

I can verify the Tuono's fuelling below 4K rpm. I never ride it like that, so it doesn't bother me, but the bike doesn't like revs below 4K to be sure. Still, it doesn't suddenly surge forward like my friend's 919 Hornet does. Damn thing tried to kill me by engaging warp speed at a deep lean when I cracked the throttle. I didn't hear a lot of kvetching about that bike.

I've been told that the "race map" enabled by Aprilia shops when you have a free-flow exhaust really helps clear up the lean low end throttle response and the 15 tooth sprocket delivered with the bike also helps by changing the motor's operating range at lower speeds.

As another forum post says, part of what makes bikes fun is how each rider deals with the way they work.

Duken4evr · 01-10-2009, 09:38 PM

Timely article, as pure sport bikes get so narrow focus, bikes like this make more and more sense for real street riders desiring no excuses real world performance in a sporting motorcycle.

My solution was to pick up an '06 FZ1 and uncork it via some electronic warfare via a PCIII and ignition module and the usual intake and exhaust therapy via an Akra full system and airbox snorkle-ectomy. The net result of these mods over on the FZ1OA board after getting the mapping dialed in is reliably 149 to 151 hp, with a nice 16 hp increase in the midrange and a major increase in throttle response. It is amazing how sanitized for our protection and corked up the FZ is and how well it runs after said corks are dispensed with.

Given the 8.4K OTD price, I probably have 10 grand in the bike with the mods. A bargain in other words. I rather like that the FZ needed me to reach it's potential. God knows a new GSXR1000 doesn't.

Always wanted a GPZ1100 as a kid. In my warped brain, it seems the modded FZ1 is it's modern spiritual descendant. Bikini fairing, honkin' liter class 4 cylinder engine on display. Works for me.

longride · 01-11-2009, 04:26 AM

Nice test guys. Make mine a Speed Triple. I think they have it down cold after all these years of making them.

anrajala · 01-11-2009, 07:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seruzawa

Once again an S3 is shown to be a best buy with a bullet. Plus, you get the added bonus nifty Triumph swag and can wear the leather jacket with the big Union Jack. I just wish Triumph would do a Union Jack on the tank.

What is this pathetic obsession that the yanks have about the limeys? Pretty much all the latest American TV programs that I have seen portray some British obnoxious swine feeling so superior to native dwithering dipsticks.

- cruiz-euro

seruzawa · 01-11-2009, 07:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by anrajala

What is this pathetic obsession that the yanks have about the limeys? Pretty much all the latest American TV programs that I have seen portray some British obnoxious swine feeling so superior to native dwithering dipsticks.

- cruiz-euro

What is this pathetic obsession the rest of the world has with the United States? Pretty much all foreign TV programs spend too much of their time screeching about the USA. Boo hoo.

S3 riding Brits are amongst that last that haven't become effete whining cowards who can't defend their own culture against the hordes of barbarism. Too bad most Euros are allowing their heritage to be destroyed. All for crappy healthcare. A continent of losers, moochers and looters.

newagetwotone · 01-11-2009, 10:23 AM

*Head desk*

anrajala · 01-11-2009, 11:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by seruzawa

S3 riding Brits are amongst that last that haven't become effete whining cowards who can't defend their own culture against the hordes of barbarism. Too bad most Euros are allowing their heritage to be destroyed. All for crappy healthcare. A continent of losers, moochers and looters.

Crappy health care destroying our heritage? You could call that a new theory. Anyways, our heritage seems to be doing fine, all the engines in the test seem to be coming from this continent of losers.

Anyways I don't mind you getting Union Jack tattoo on your ass. I am just curious why is this. The brits are ok but if we start to talk about glorious heritage the british motor vehicle industry is the one that should be forgotten first. Well nobody can blame them for not trying.

- cruiz-euro

newagetwotone · 01-11-2009, 12:57 PM

You do realize your just about the annoying and arrogant ignoramus ever right?

trenttheuncatchable · 01-11-2009, 01:43 PM

I *really* like all three of these bikes. My biggest beef with them is that the observed fuel economy on two of them are 28mpg, and the other one is 33mpg. I need a bike that does better than that (I suppose if I made more money, this wouldn't be an issue for me). I love the Tuono's exhaust sound, though, so "unexciting" doesn't make sense to me personally.

I have a Ninja 250 that gets close to 60 actual-observed-by-me mpg. If I could replace its engine with a 750cc fuel-injected version, I'd do it in a heartbeat (not that I'm really complaining about the pretty smooth parallel twin that it came with). I also have a CBR 1100XX that gets an observed 38mpg, and whose motor is so smooth and powerful that it'll have a place in my garage for a good long time.

I decided that it was time to get something with more power than the Ninja 250, but with the same type of ergonomics (upright posture). I also preferred four cylinders, fuel injection, decent fuel economy, decent wind protection, and relatively cheap insurance. So I am now scheduled to take delivery of a 2006 Kawasaki Z750S in the next week. That should keep me happy for the next couple years, at least

The Ninja 250 will hopefully get a new owner who appreciates it as much as I have.

Motorcycles: one of the greatest inventions ever!

01-10-2009, 06:42 PM	#22
ShamanWS6 Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 36	I can verify the Tuono's fuelling below 4K rpm. I never ride it like that, so it doesn't bother me, but the bike doesn't like revs below 4K to be sure. Still, it doesn't suddenly surge forward like my friend's 919 Hornet does. Damn thing tried to kill me by engaging warp speed at a deep lean when I cracked the throttle. I didn't hear a lot of kvetching about that bike. I've been told that the "race map" enabled by Aprilia shops when you have a free-flow exhaust really helps clear up the lean low end throttle response and the 15 tooth sprocket delivered with the bike also helps by changing the motor's operating range at lower speeds. As another forum post says, part of what makes bikes fun is how each rider deals with the way they work. __________________ 2013 RSV4 Factory APRC SBK SE ABS 2009 GSX-R 600 (RACE #100) 2008 GSX-R 1000 (RACE #100) 2008 KX 450F 2007 Tuono 1000R http://www.trackfanatics.ca/

01-10-2009, 09:38 PM	#23
Duken4evr Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Parker, CO Posts: 706	Timely article, as pure sport bikes get so narrow focus, bikes like this make more and more sense for real street riders desiring no excuses real world performance in a sporting motorcycle. My solution was to pick up an '06 FZ1 and uncork it via some electronic warfare via a PCIII and ignition module and the usual intake and exhaust therapy via an Akra full system and airbox snorkle-ectomy. The net result of these mods over on the FZ1OA board after getting the mapping dialed in is reliably 149 to 151 hp, with a nice 16 hp increase in the midrange and a major increase in throttle response. It is amazing how sanitized for our protection and corked up the FZ is and how well it runs after said corks are dispensed with. Given the 8.4K OTD price, I probably have 10 grand in the bike with the mods. A bargain in other words. I rather like that the FZ needed me to reach it's potential. God knows a new GSXR1000 doesn't. Always wanted a GPZ1100 as a kid. In my warped brain, it seems the modded FZ1 is it's modern spiritual descendant. Bikini fairing, honkin' liter class 4 cylinder engine on display. Works for me. Last edited by Duken4evr : 01-10-2009 at 09:51 PM.

01-11-2009, 04:26 AM	#24
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	Nice test guys. Make mine a Speed Triple. I think they have it down cold after all these years of making them. __________________ I'm a knucklehead

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01-11-2009, 10:23 AM	#27
newagetwotone Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,302	Head desk

01-11-2009, 12:57 PM	#29
newagetwotone Registered Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,302	You do realize your just about the annoying and arrogant ignoramus ever right?

01-11-2009, 01:43 PM	#30
trenttheuncatchable Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 893	I really like all three of these bikes. My biggest beef with them is that the observed fuel economy on two of them are 28mpg, and the other one is 33mpg. I need a bike that does better than that (I suppose if I made more money, this wouldn't be an issue for me). I love the Tuono's exhaust sound, though, so "unexciting" doesn't make sense to me personally. I have a Ninja 250 that gets close to 60 actual-observed-by-me mpg. If I could replace its engine with a 750cc fuel-injected version, I'd do it in a heartbeat (not that I'm really complaining about the pretty smooth parallel twin that it came with). I also have a CBR 1100XX that gets an observed 38mpg, and whose motor is so smooth and powerful that it'll have a place in my garage for a good long time. I decided that it was time to get something with more power than the Ninja 250, but with the same type of ergonomics (upright posture). I also preferred four cylinders, fuel injection, decent fuel economy, decent wind protection, and relatively cheap insurance. So I am now scheduled to take delivery of a 2006 Kawasaki Z750S in the next week. That should keep me happy for the next couple years, at least The Ninja 250 will hopefully get a new owner who appreciates it as much as I have. Motorcycles: one of the greatest inventions ever!