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seruzawa · 11-18-2008, 01:40 PM

Don't get me wrong. I've seldom ever ridden a bike that I didn't have a great time on. And those were mostly problematic Brit junk in the 60's. There's nothing like trying to tune a '54 BSA 500 single when the previous owner had welded the points plate solidly to the case. I'm just a bit mystified why some of the more modern weight reducing tricks can't be applied to the Japanese cruisers. The 2009 Dyna FXD costs only $700 more than the VTX1300 and lists at 663lbs running weight. HDs lighter than Hondas? The mind reels.

Kevin_Duke · 11-19-2008, 12:12 AM

A Harley comparable to the VTX (with bags, windshield and backrest) is the Heritage Softail Classic. It it claimed to weigh 765 lbs in running order. And it doesn't have the extra weight of liquid-cooling like the Honda. Now, a 500cc BSA has them both beat!

anrajala · 11-25-2008, 04:17 AM

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Originally Posted by seruzawa

The retirement costs for GM are something like $1500 per vehicle.

Have you ever thought why is it that BMW and Merc don't carry any health or retirement cost? No?

Because the govt. takes care of them. You buy Japanese car you pay 16% VAT (mehrwertsteuer) to fund German pensions and health care.

Brilliant.

- cruiz-euro

longride · 11-25-2008, 04:33 AM

You forgot to add in the $9.00 a gallon gasoline along with the outragous income taxes too. Great deal eh?

The_AirHawk · 11-25-2008, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by longride

You forgot to add in the $9.00 a gallon gasoline along with the outragous income taxes too. Great deal eh?

But you get 45 days a year vacation! And 20%+ Unemployment!

Such a DEAL!

SmokeU · 11-25-2008, 09:49 AM

That Honda sure seems gutless for a big 1300. I used to be a fan of Honda, not so much anymore.

anrajala · 11-26-2008, 11:57 AM

Well, with my wife's laptop I can't get below (the ridiculous) "more replies below" stage. Was never a problem with my work computer (before I had a heavy spill on the keyboard, don't ask) Anyways, if there is little enthusiasm on the real debate, this explains it.

- cruiz-euro

12er · 11-26-2008, 12:45 PM

for dirty keyboards run them in the dishwasher with no soap. Let them dry a couple weeks and presto, good as new.

seruzawa · 11-26-2008, 02:08 PM

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Originally Posted by 12er

for dirty keyboards run them in the dishwasher with no soap. Let them dry a couple weeks and presto, good as new.

Don't forget to do a final soaking in distilled water. No kidding. It'll pull out the salts that tap water leaves. We used to rejuvenate the expensive (several $K) keyboards in some of the military systems that way.

sarnali2 · 11-26-2008, 03:32 PM

I guess I'm just not a Honda fan, the last one I had any enthusiasm for was my '97 VFR and that turned out to be misplaced. I like their Sportbikes though, always have from the original Interceptor to the new CBR1000RR, just not my cuppa' tea anymore.

11-18-2008, 01:40 PM	#21
seruzawa Robby Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: 8501 ft. Posts: 16,803	Don't get me wrong. I've seldom ever ridden a bike that I didn't have a great time on. And those were mostly problematic Brit junk in the 60's. There's nothing like trying to tune a '54 BSA 500 single when the previous owner had welded the points plate solidly to the case. I'm just a bit mystified why some of the more modern weight reducing tricks can't be applied to the Japanese cruisers. The 2009 Dyna FXD costs only $700 more than the VTX1300 and lists at 663lbs running weight. HDs lighter than Hondas? The mind reels. __________________ I've seen things you people wouldn't believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion. I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tanhauser Gate. All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in the rain.

11-25-2008, 04:33 AM	#24
longride Super Duper Mod Man Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Anywhere they let me Posts: 10,484	You forgot to add in the $9.00 a gallon gasoline along with the outragous income taxes too. Great deal eh? __________________ I'm a knucklehead

11-26-2008, 11:57 AM	#27
anrajala Founding Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,490	A spill limits my democratic rights Well, with my wife's laptop I can't get below (the ridiculous) "more replies below" stage. Was never a problem with my work computer (before I had a heavy spill on the keyboard, don't ask) Anyways, if there is little enthusiasm on the real debate, this explains it. - cruiz-euro

11-26-2008, 03:32 PM	#30
sarnali2 Aging Cafe` Racer Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sittin' down by my window, lookin' at the rain. Posts: 8,132	I guess I'm just not a Honda fan, the last one I had any enthusiasm for was my '97 VFR and that turned out to be misplaced. I like their Sportbikes though, always have from the original Interceptor to the new CBR1000RR, just not my cuppa' tea anymore. __________________ "Carpe` Throttelum -Loud Suits Save Lives" "All the BMW riders in the room, I want you to leave. Now. Out. "

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11-19-2008, 12:12 AM	#22
Kevin_Duke Motorcycle.com Staff Join Date: Jun 2003 Posts: 1,775	A Harley comparable to the VTX (with bags, windshield and backrest) is the Heritage Softail Classic. It it claimed to weigh 765 lbs in running order. And it doesn't have the extra weight of liquid-cooling like the Honda. Now, a 500cc BSA has them both beat!

11-25-2008, 09:49 AM	#26
SmokeU Premium Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: pet**...pet...pet** Posts: 1,865	That Honda sure seems gutless for a big 1300. I used to be a fan of Honda, not so much anymore.

11-26-2008, 12:45 PM	#28
12er Founding Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: SF Posts: 2,702	for dirty keyboards run them in the dishwasher with no soap. Let them dry a couple weeks and presto, good as new.