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Old 11-17-2008, 09:55 PM   #11
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Iv heard GM's doing great,... IN CHINA?
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Old 11-18-2008, 05:28 AM   #12
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I'll bring up GM in a couple of years. They aren't going under.
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Old 11-18-2008, 07:54 AM   #13
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No, they'll re-organize, f'k a bunch of people over and bounce back. They make some great vehicles now and we need the manufacuring base, not to mention the 2 million plus workers in the auto and componant industry. They ain't going anywhere.
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Old 11-18-2008, 08:23 AM   #14
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I'll bring up GM in a couple of years. They aren't going under.
Oh, no doubt they'll survive somehow. The Q is when will the bankruptcy reorganization finally happen? Giving GM 25B will only encourage them to go along the same route they are and make GM's eventual acquisition by new competent owners more difficult.

You might want to put off buying stock for now. It's got a ways down to go yet. And prepare for the stock certificates to say "Honda" on them. Heck, GM's buy out value right now is only, what, $7B? almost any multi-national corp could buy them. Why aren't they? GM is wedded to problems that are insurmountable unless it can reorganize and dump its retirement/over-priced labor/unprofitable_dealerships problems. After all, how can any company survive that is forced to pay tens of thousands of idle "workers" full salaries and has to pay $103K per year to forklift operators? The retirement costs for GM are something like $1500 per vehicle. Yikes!
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:35 AM   #15
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No, they'll re-organize, f'k a bunch of people over and bounce back. They make some great vehicles now and we need the manufacuring base, not to mention the 2 million plus workers in the auto and componant industry. They ain't going anywhere.
Sorry, I'm against the bailout. They are in the situation due to their own poor choices and the poor choices of the UAW. Someone will come in and fill the void.
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Old 11-18-2008, 09:42 AM   #16
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Hell, the stock is under 3 bucks now. It can't go that much lower without going off the board. If they survive, the stock will certainly be much higher than 3 bucks. I just think they will make it, but it ain't gonna be pretty and it ain't gonna be soon. I'm talking going long on them, and I think that will work.
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:27 PM   #17
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If they actually ship this thing they may have a chance of at least keeping Hummer alive:

Hummer HX Concept - Concept Vehicles - Motor Trend
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:46 PM   #18
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If they actually ship this thing they may have a chance of at least keeping Hummer alive:

Hummer HX Concept - Concept Vehicles - Motor Trend
There's another company out there already MAKES one of those - only, they call it the Wrangler...........
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Old 11-18-2008, 01:52 PM   #19
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Sorry, I'm against the bailout. They are in the situation due to their own poor choices and the poor choices of the UAW. Someone will come in and fill the void.
Right there with you, I dont know of an american car I would want to buy. Bought a ford truck once, once! Learned my lesson there, what a POS. Designed to break was taking to the extreme. 100 miles past the 36k warranty a whole string of unrelated problems unfolded over and over again. Traded it in after 56k and never looked back.

Then the SUV craze fueled the fuel craze leading us ever so much faster to the path of destruction. If your not part of the solution, your part of the problem, good riddance.
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Old 11-18-2008, 02:19 PM   #20
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My wife likes big V-twin cruisers and so I've considered buying one for touring. They can be set up to be quite comfortable and usually get decent gas mileage. BTW 1300cc is still a big V-twin.

But the ridiculous weights always make me change my mind. Why do these things have to weight 75lbs+ more than my GL1100 tourer? Do they use cast iron frame joints like HD used to? Is it required to have floorboards that drag at the drop of a hat? Even two up my GL1100 easily humiliates Yamaha's Road Stars up and down Logan Canyon. Is this progress? I'd bet even my old Shovelhead would easily out run most of these monsters on a mountain road.
The Honda is a nice piece, but I think the injected V-Star 1300 is nicer.

As for the weights, keep in mind that you can't reliably compare the old dry weights optimistically claimed by OEMs pre-2008. For '09, the Japanese companies have agreed to provide actual weight of bikes, plus fuel.

As for the Star-humiliating GL, I'll give you a run with a Star Warrior or VMax!
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