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Old 08-10-2007, 12:36 PM   #61
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It's our own fault we are in this situation. Those that think our elective system is rigged don't vote (which consist of nearly half the country). Those that do vote keep the same slags in office no matter the performance. If they were heads of Industry they'd be fired for their performance. Just something to chew on.
Well there you go! I agree with you word for word on the above!

So, whaddya think of them motorcycle thingys? Reckon they're gonna catch on one of these days?
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:37 PM   #62
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To recap quickly here, helmet laws suck and government handouts suck worse. All the helmet laws in the world won't lower your insurance rates, you medical payments, nor will they lower your tax bill. Look elsewhere for that relief. Ride free! Over and Out!
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:39 PM   #63
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And therein lies the difference. I think the vast majority of people are better off today than at any time in America's history. You said it yourself: you got motivated and you were able to build a terrific life for yourself! Did you know people were starving to death in the 30's when Roosevelt started the New Deal?
People were fed by local and State programs. Not the New Deal.

The successor of the New Deal, the Great Society has been an unmitigated disaster and virtually destroyed entire cities. Yeah. Let's do more of that big govt solution shyt. It works really well.
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Old 08-10-2007, 12:55 PM   #64
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People were fed by local and State programs. Not the New Deal.

The successor of the New Deal, the Great Society has been an unmitigated disaster and virtually destroyed entire cities. Yeah. Let's do more of that big govt solution shyt. It works really well.
I'm really thinking hard about getting that Concours 14. Man, it looked great in the showroom! But, the old one is running pretty darn good and it's hard to imagine going the financing route on a bike. I could sell one or both of the "vintage" bikes to minimize the payments...but I'd hate myself for letting that 77 FXS go. I guess it's a good problem to have!
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Old 08-10-2007, 01:01 PM   #65
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People were fed by local and State programs. Not the New Deal.

The successor of the New Deal, the Great Society has been an unmitigated disaster and virtually destroyed entire cities. Yeah. Let's do more of that big govt solution shyt. It works really well.
You have just stated my point. The Federal Gov't should not be involved with these programs at all, unless it's providing matching funds for a state run program (which will have far less devistating effects on the economy). It should be up to the individual states to support or not to support any welfare type system. That way those that are locally elected can actually be held accountable when, or if, the system implodes. Keep it local. Give people a choice (by vote) to have or deny access to programs. Let the people live in the states that most suit their needs. I'm sure you Californians would be over-run sooner than later.
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Old 08-16-2007, 03:32 AM   #66
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There is this old myth in the States that you guys have greater personal freedoms than us in Europe. Land of the free. Gun wise you have that, ok, but in reality you can’t drink openly in the beaches and parks and the cops can seach your trunk withour a search warrant. Nowadays cops can wiretap you on whim and enter your house without you never knowing. You can’t even publicly swim naked. Tsk tsk. Why couldn’t you read a porn mag in the presence of a female coworker?

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Old 08-16-2007, 06:53 AM   #67
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There is this old myth in the States that you guys have greater personal freedoms than us in Europe. Land of the free. Gun wise you have that, ok, but in reality you can’t drink openly in the beaches and parks and the cops can seach your trunk withour a search warrant. Nowadays cops can wiretap you on whim and enter your house without you never knowing. You can’t even publicly swim naked. Tsk tsk. Why couldn’t you read a porn mag in the presence of a female coworker?

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.... at least they can't put us on probation before we commit a crime.

But your point is well taken. Americans seem to love to run to their govt to oppress their neighbors. At least we don't murder the elderly because of a lack of dialysis machines.
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Old 08-16-2007, 08:50 AM   #68
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No, no, no. The government is good for you. Go to the government. Trust the government. The government knows best.

If you fear government involvement you are paranoid.

The government should limit all bikes to a speed no greater than 65mph. You don't need to go faster than that. If you disagree you will be sited for antisocial behavior and an ankle monitor will be provided to monitor your movement and fat intake.
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Old 08-18-2007, 11:11 PM   #69
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I live in WA state and we have a helmet law. I dislike it. Riding without a helmet is like riding in a convertable with the top down. Something about 'an open view' to the world making life more relaxing. I also like riding in the bed of a pickup, same feeling. I agree that helmets do help protect and so does the clothing one wears. But what cracks me up about the law is that you can wear a t-shirt and shorts while riding. (conspiracy theory sprouting) Makes me wonder if there is a 'vested' interest in having specific DOT approved helmets sold... Can you imagine DOT approved clothing too??? The revenue that would be generated!!! Anyways, I prefer choice. I am always willing to accept the outcomes of my choice...
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If you want proof of how effective wearing a helmet can be, have a friend put one on, and then smash his head against the wall. Now have him remove the helmet and try it again. Which one do you think he will prefer
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