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Old 08-08-2007, 06:33 AM   #31
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I believe in natural selection. In darwinic sense.

- cruiz-euro
Funny, I've heard that argument almost verbatim about anyone who rides a motorbike under any circumstances. My other favorite is when motorcyclists are called "organ donors." Life is a matter of risk versus reward. If the reward of riding, or riding without a helmet, isn't worth the risk to you, dont! BTW, somebody (acecycleins?) made a point regarding others who depend upon me, that's had me thinking... I may actually change my mind about all this, which is why I enjoy an intelligent discussion with rational people.
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Old 08-08-2007, 06:40 AM   #32
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If you really believed that was true, I think you would have died long ago.
Ha! If there's any place on Earth where darwinian selection is avoided it's freaking Europe. The entire continent's entire population is a ward of the State. All the people capable of original thinking left a century ago.
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Old 08-08-2007, 07:51 AM   #33
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I may actually change my mind about all this, which is why I enjoy an intelligent discussion with rational people.
We'll have none of that talk HERE, Mister!

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Old 08-08-2007, 10:51 AM   #34
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:19 AM   #35
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He's not off topic, he's off his meds. Where'd we put the butterfly net when kpsquidcookingavenger left? looks like ol' Hawkman's about chewed through the straps again.......
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Old 08-08-2007, 11:36 AM   #36
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Old 08-09-2007, 02:27 PM   #37
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...skiers, bicyclists, pedestrians, hikers, kids playing sports, people using swimming pools, surfers.... we could go on and on and on. All these are dangerous activities and anyone being hurt doing these things should be denied taxpayer funded medical care, even though they are paying the "premiums". Yeah, that's the ticket. People being taxed to death and when they get hurt deny them any treatment. We can save lots of money that way! Just hire a couple of guys and a wheelbarrow to haul the bodies away to the landfill. That'll result in lower taxes and premiums you bet!
You're smarter than that, aren't you? My basic beef is- we choose to participate in an activity that IS more dangerous than most. You, me, everyone on this forum have personal responsibility. It's is not my job to keep you healthy. It's not your job to pay my child's medical bills when she breaks a leg on the mx course. I'm not say "Don't treat the injuries". I'm saying don't make anyone but the injured (if at fault) pay their own d@mn way. You bust that bean don't expect a Joe Taxpayer bailout.
Paying premiums for Insurance gives you the access you need to medical services. That, in no way, is related to my arguement. Health providers should not be allowed to pick and choose the injuries they cover. It all should be covered- no matter the nature or cause of the injury. SEE- the arguements are NOT connected.
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Old 08-09-2007, 05:26 PM   #38
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You're smarter than that, aren't you? My basic beef is- we choose to participate in an activity that IS more dangerous than most. You, me, everyone on this forum have personal responsibility. It's is not my job to keep you healthy. It's not your job to pay my child's medical bills when she breaks a leg on the mx course. I'm not say "Don't treat the injuries". I'm saying don't make anyone but the injured (if at fault) pay their own d@mn way. You bust that bean don't expect a Joe Taxpayer bailout.
Paying premiums for Insurance gives you the access you need to medical services. That, in no way, is related to my arguement. Health providers should not be allowed to pick and choose the injuries they cover. It all should be covered- no matter the nature or cause of the injury. SEE- the arguements are NOT connected.
Since my wife and I are in a pretty high tax bracket I am paying into the socialized health care pool. Like anyone else I'm entitled to share in that pool whether some crusader likes it or not.
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Old 08-10-2007, 05:01 AM   #39
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You're smarter than that, aren't you? My basic beef is- we choose to participate in an activity that IS more dangerous than most. You, me, everyone on this forum have personal responsibility. It's is not my job to keep you healthy. It's not your job to pay my child's medical bills when she breaks a leg on the mx course. I'm not say "Don't treat the injuries". I'm saying don't make anyone but the injured (if at fault) pay their own d@mn way. You bust that bean don't expect a Joe Taxpayer bailout.
Paying premiums for Insurance gives you the access you need to medical services. That, in no way, is related to my arguement. Health providers should not be allowed to pick and choose the injuries they cover. It all should be covered- no matter the nature or cause of the injury. SEE- the arguements are NOT connected.
How about other forms of social responsibility. So you aren't for Aid to Dependent children, welfare, unemployment paychecks, food stamp, etc.? You are an 'everybody pay their own way' guy? I'm all for it. Those programs cost us a hell of a lot more than injured motorcyclists. I never collected a dime on ANY social program, but I sure as hell paid a hell of a lot of money into them. When is it my time to collect?
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How about other forms of social responsibility. So you aren't for Aid to Dependent children, welfare, unemployment paychecks, food stamp, etc.? You are an 'everybody pay their own way' guy? I'm all for it. Those programs cost us a hell of a lot more than injured motorcyclists. I never collected a dime on ANY social program, but I sure as hell paid a hell of a lot of money into them. When is it my time to collect?
Well, hopefully it's never your time to collect. While I don't like giving away my money to a system that I can't affect, I do believe that social programs are necessary to maintain a civilized nation. If you think there are crime problems now, see what happens when there's no security net for people who loose their jobs, homes, family, etc. Is the system abused? Of course. Is the system run effectively and efficiently? Highly unlikely. Can it be better? Absolutely. But it is necessary. And hopefully you'll never need to get your turn to use it.
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