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Old 05-22-2013, 04:12 PM   #1
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Default Neon Flux pays back loan.

Looks like the guy has some integrity after all. Good for him.

Tesla pays back $465m DOE loan, Musk says 'I hope we did you proud'
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Old 05-22-2013, 05:35 PM   #2
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Refreshing these days though naive as I may be I still think most people are decent. It's just the pricks that keep making headlines..
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Old 05-22-2013, 07:53 PM   #3
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It's still not ok that the gov't thinks it's ok to gamble with tax dollars on a car for the evil RICH.

The Fed has been printing money artificially inflating stock prices. We're paying more for everything these days from gas to bread.

It's amazing the libs are pointing to this as some success story. Zero made a rich guy richer with poor and middle class money.
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It's still not ok that the gov't thinks it's ok to gamble with tax dollars on a car for the evil RICH.

The Fed has been printing money artificially inflating stock prices. We're paying more for everything these days from gas to bread.

It's amazing the libs are pointing to this as some success story. Zero made a rich guy richer with middle class money.
FTFY. The "Poor" do not pay Federal taxes.

I work with 15 other people at my location, 2 of which get back nearly twice as much as I pay in (substantially MORE than twice as much as THEY "pay in", then get back).

I do not begrudge someone deductions to the point their "tax debt" is Zero Dollars (God knows, it would be nice - mine has NEVER been that, even when I earned below the "poverty line" - which did not last out my Teens, as I learned and applied skills that ensured my labor would be sufficiently in-demand enough to not have to remain at the bottom of the payscale. Anywhere.).

But the EIC should be abolished like Slavery.
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Old 05-23-2013, 04:56 AM   #5
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FTFY. The "Poor" do not pay Federal taxes.

I work with 15 other people at my location, 2 of which get back nearly twice as much as I pay in (substantially MORE than twice as much as THEY "pay in", then get back).

I do not begrudge someone deductions to the point their "tax debt" is Zero Dollars (God knows, it would be nice - mine has NEVER been that, even when I earned below the "poverty line" - which did not last out my Teens, as I learned and applied skills that ensured my labor would be sufficiently in-demand enough to not have to remain at the bottom of the payscale. Anywhere.).

But the EIC should be abolished like Slavery.
Nothing can stop the "freight train to ruin".
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Old 05-23-2013, 06:28 AM   #6
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FTFY. The "Poor" do not pay Federal taxes.

I work with 15 other people at my location, 2 of which get back nearly twice as much as I pay in (substantially MORE than twice as much as THEY "pay in", then get back).

I do not begrudge someone deductions to the point their "tax debt" is Zero Dollars (God knows, it would be nice - mine has NEVER been that, even when I earned below the "poverty line" - which did not last out my Teens, as I learned and applied skills that ensured my labor would be sufficiently in-demand enough to not have to remain at the bottom of the payscale. Anywhere.).

But the EIC should be abolished like Slavery.
Grasshoppa, hidden tax is inflation.

Inflation make stockholder rich.

Poor man can't buy bread and fuel.
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Grasshoppa, hidden tax is inflation.

Inflation make stockholder rich.

Poor man can't buy bread and fuel.

Corn for food is being turned into fuel, rich white American Liberals who wouldn't use the sh*t anyway get to feel green while poor South and Central American Hispanics who's dietary mainstay is corn see the price for their food go up ever higher.

It's a pretty sick society that will allow starvation to occur so it can feel good about itself being "Green".
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They didn't just "pay it back." They paid it back nine years ahead of time. Damn.

Tesla is outselling BMW, Merc, and Audi in thei luxury-sedan class. Seems like the product would have to be more than just a "green feel-good" exercise to do that.

Tesla has also rejected the dealership business model, which I think is great. I've never understood why car buying is such a bizzare ritual of games and BS. Polls show virtually everyone hates it, but we seem to be stuck with it. One of the Car and Driver editors said in his column last month that if Suzuki reenters the car market here they should follow Musk's model and "own their customers" instead of handing them off to some multi-line mega dealer.
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They didn't just "pay it back." They paid it back nine years ahead of time. Damn.

Tesla is outselling BMW, Merc, and Audi in thei luxury-sedan class. Seems like the product would have to be more than just a "green feel-good" exercise to do that.

Tesla has also rejected the dealership business model, which I think is great. I've never understood why car buying is such a bizzare ritual of games and BS. Polls show virtually everyone hates it, but we seem to be stuck with it. One of the Car and Driver editors said in his column last month that if Suzuki reenters the car market here they should follow Musk's model and "own their customers" instead of handing them off to some multi-line mega dealer.
It has sold a few units in the market but I suppose if the other cars came with a $10,000 tax credit they might sell a few more too.

It is out of reach for the average consumer yet the average taxpayer is subsidizing it and you think that's a good thing.

Amazing.
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It has sold a few units in the market but I suppose if the other cars came with a $10,000 tax credit they might sell a few more too.

It is out of reach for the average consumer yet the average taxpayer is subsidizing it and you think that's a good thing.

Amazing.
No, because you see eventually the technology will become cheaper. Maybe in ANOTHER 100 years.

And you'll note that they made money because the stock spiked. Not because the company is healthy.

Forgoing comments about evil wall street capitalists.
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