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Old 06-02-2011, 07:36 AM   #21
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I thought 883's made 35hp in stock configuration.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:00 AM   #22
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This needs to be looked at from several angles:

1) Seru's point - No direct correlation between licensing standards & injuries, but maybe there's another value to be added, like amount of riding time & whether it was a 1-vehicle collision or multiple (rider experience can't displace the carelessness of car people). Other factors to consider - are Americans mostly pleasure riding vs. commuters? Also, I'm sure traffic patterns/roadways, congestion & training for car drivers are all variables that need to be factored as well. I'd speculate that when car license standards are added into this you'll find it skews the results. Everywhere except the middle east & largely undeveloped nations have significantly stricter regulations then the US when it comes to cars.

2) When I got licensed, 15 or so years ago, in FL the requirement was to either get a learner permit etc. or pass the MSF basic course. I chose the later & after 2.5 days I was fully licensed, but I was still very green. Looking back do I think I was rode worthy after 2.5 days, not really. Although I had extra unlicensed seat time that helped prepare me, I still made a lot of mistakes, but luckily nothing overtly stupid or dangerous. To this day no collisions ... KOW. However, classmates had never even sat on a bike before that class & walked away with a license; in which case the training was totally inadequate. It should be at least a 40 hr course that's mostly seat time. I'd suggest a 1yr unrestricted permit after the 40hr course, then a mandatory advanced rider course for fully licensing.

3) Do I think exhaustive training/testing will really make a difference ... No. A percentage of new riders will always make deadly mistakes due to lapse personal judgement. Even crusty old riders have this problem, but the odds are lessened by experience.
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Old 06-02-2011, 08:03 AM   #23
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I thought 883's made 35hp in stock configuration.
Yeah I don't think an ECU remap is in order.

I stopped by the local H-D dealer yesterday and saw an old salesperson there I know pretty well.

He said the Iron 883 and 48 models are flying off the floor. They sell every one they can get.

He said he never imagined a Sporty would cost 10 grand and sell so well.

It's the hip bike right now though. All the young, tatted up MMA guys are riding them around here wearing Chuck Conner's shoes.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:28 AM   #24
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Chuck who? When I think of Chuck and MMA the name Chuck Liddell comes to mind. Then there's Chuck Connors, The Rifleman ..

Okay, now we can go back on topic.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:53 AM   #25
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What I hear echoing from crash reports is a rider is either unlicensed and or self taught, drunk or inexperienced.

Telling somebody they have to throw down close to 300 dollars (cost of msf course in my area) takes the wind out of that sail to take a training course. Personally I believe it's worth every dollar but I'm probably in the minority.

With all the drama surrounding helmet laws, trying to advocate for stiffer training seems like a uphill battle.

I feel if a rider wants to better their skills, we should offer every opportunity to do so.

I think the biggest part of rider training is state of mind. Will you assume you know everything and thus not seek to improve your skills or will you realize your limits, ride within them and strive to become a better rider.
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Old 06-02-2011, 09:54 AM   #26
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Chuck who? When I think of Chuck and MMA the name Chuck Liddell comes to mind. Then there's Chuck Connors, The Rifleman ..

Okay, now we can go back on topic.
Are the canvas Converse shoes called Chuck Conner's?

He used to play for the Celtics.
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:40 AM   #27
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What I hear echoing from crash reports is a rider is either unlicensed and or self taught, drunk or inexperienced.
That would be me, from about 1990 to 2001. Among other things...
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Old 06-02-2011, 10:41 AM   #28
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Got it. The shoes are called Converse Chuck Taylor. AKA Chucks or Cons. The guy is called Chuck Connors, AKA The Rifleman, and he did used to play for the Celtics.

Those shoes, by the way, sucked in the '70s, and they still suck now. Just my opinion Why anyone would buy cheap, crappy shoes I do not understand. And I don't get why they're considered fashionable, either.
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Got it. The shoes are called Converse Chuck Taylor. AKA Chucks or Cons. The guy is called Chuck Connors, AKA The Rifleman, and he did used to play for the Celtics.

Those shoes, by the way, sucked in the '70s, and they still suck now. Just my opinion Why anyone would buy cheap, crappy shoes I do not understand. And I don't get why they're considered fashionable, either.
If you were a hipster doofus, they would be fashionable.
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Old 06-02-2011, 11:17 AM   #30
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If you were a hipster doofus, they would be fashionable.
Ha! I just spent a few weeks in Hollywood and was reintroduced to Hipster Central on Vermont near Hollywood Blvd where all those outdoor cafe's are. Nothing like mixed drinks in the morning for breakfast. What a zoo.
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