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Old 11-16-2010, 12:49 PM   #51
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First car was a '74 AMC Matador X. My Dad loved AMCs. He had 2 Pacers.

I got over it.
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Old 11-16-2010, 01:37 PM   #52
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He had 2 Pacers.
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Old 11-16-2010, 02:55 PM   #53
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First car was a '74 AMC Matador X. My Dad loved AMCs. He had 2 Pacers.

I got over it.
Did you know that the AMC Pacer, the Pinto, and Chevy Vega were originally designed to have rotary engines? There was a huge craze over rotaries back then; pretty much all the manufacturers had licensed the technology and produce them. There are a lot of theories as to why they didn't, but I think it's a shame they didn't. Rotary engines still have the best power to weight ratio of any mass-produced engine, and the heat and tip-seal issues were resolved by Mazda long ago.

My pal in High School had a Mazda rotary pickup. It hauled ass. He used to leave it in 4th gear, slow almost to walking speed, and hit the gas. It wouldn't bog or lug, just slowly speed up.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:05 PM   #54
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Did you know that the AMC Pacer, the Pinto, and Chevy Vega were originally designed to have rotary engines? There was a huge craze over rotaries back then; pretty much all the manufacturers had licensed the technology and produce them. There are a lot of theories as to why they didn't, but I think it's a shame they didn't. Rotary engines still have the best power to weight ratio of any mass-produced engine, and the heat and tip-seal issues were resolved by Mazda long ago.

My pal in High School had a Mazda rotary pickup. It hauled ass. He used to leave it in 4th gear, slow almost to walking speed, and hit the gas. It wouldn't bog or lug, just slowly speed up.
If I'm not mistaken the gas mileage horrendous in the Wankel back then.
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Old 11-16-2010, 03:12 PM   #55
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If I'm not mistaken the gas mileage horrendous in the Wankel back then.
The mileage is still pretty horrendous now. I'm a huge fan of the rotary having owned a Mazda RX7. I test drove a RX8 a few years back and it was a great car to drive, not much to look at.

Still, we're talking about maybe 200 hp and low 20s in mileage. My V8 Benz will do better than that and it's got 382 hp and 391 ft lbs of torque.

Back in the IMSA racing days Mazda had an amazing car. The four chamber rotary made over 1000hp and sounded like bees on angel dust.

I love the rotary but it seems limited to a small sports car application. The Dali Obama's new CAFE standards will kill it.
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:17 PM   #56
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Seems Cycle World gave a great explaination of why the use of the rotary is as it is. Mileage was at the top of the list, but it gave kudos to the fact that the motors do use fewer moving parts. But the biggest issue was heat. Heat killed the mileage is what it boiled down to.
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Old 11-16-2010, 04:44 PM   #57
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Well my '93 RX7 hauled ass, and looked like a mini-Ferrari. Too many tickets doomed the car to the recycler, where it got snapped up in one day. It was one of the few cars that could put goosebumps on my arms (my 2180 '67 VW Bug was the only other) just from the acceleration, not fear, like the GTO.
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Old 11-17-2010, 05:16 AM   #58
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If I'm not mistaken the gas mileage horrendous in the Wankel back then.
I think you're right, now that you mention it. It's amazing what a big deal the rotary was back in the day. I was watching one of the car/bike shows and Jay Leno was showing off his Suzuki rotary bike. He said Suzuki was planning to make rotary engines their marketing "signature" in the US, like Mazda did with cars.
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Old 11-17-2010, 05:18 AM   #59
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Oh yeah, I was wrong about the Pinto being slated for a rotary engine. The Vega and Pacer definitely were, but there were no formal plans for the Pinto to have one.
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Old 11-17-2010, 05:40 AM   #60
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Yep, the engine bays in those Pacers were all wrong for the straight sixes that were stuffed in.

I sold my 88 RX7 convertible earlier this year. Soemthing electronic finally gave up, and I couldn't spare the time to figure it out. Big fun for little money, though. I drove it for 5 years, and it only took me to court once!

And yes, the mileage pretty much sucked.
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