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Old 03-17-2010, 05:06 PM   #21
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Where as the conservative clowns know themselves to be stupid? I'm failing to see the difference...
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Old 03-17-2010, 05:10 PM   #22
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Where as the conservative clowns know themselves to be stupid? I'm failing to see the difference...
I have no love for either party, but I can't recall the Pubes trying to get legislation signed into law that didn't get a majority voted at some point. I could be wrong.
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Old 03-17-2010, 07:10 PM   #23
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The majority voted on both bills and passed them. It still takes a majority with reconciliation, granted by only one. Something the Pubes had no problem with on the tax cuts that has helped get us into this hole were in. Both parties are just as guilty with such shenanigans. Hence both parties suck.
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Old 03-17-2010, 07:52 PM   #24
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The majority voted on both bills and passed them.
Doesn't matter. They both have to vote on the final bills just like they have for about 200 years now. Otherwise the "laws" are illegal.
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Old 03-17-2010, 09:04 PM   #25
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Something the Pubes had no problem with on the tax cuts that has helped get us into this hole were in.
I'm at a loss as to how tax cuts got us "into this hole."

If I receive a pay cut, I decrease my discretionary spending to compensate. If I put luxuries on my credit card, it's not the pay cut that got me into the hole, it's the plastic. The government has been buying luxuries. And now it's looking to buy a gold-plated yacht that we're all going to sink in.

But of course, that's academic, as federal government revenues increase after tax cuts. Even Obama admitted that.
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Old 03-18-2010, 03:48 AM   #26
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If I receive a pay cut, I decrease my discretionary spending to compensate. If I put luxuries on my credit card, it's not the pay cut that got me into the hole, it's the plastic. The government has been buying luxuries. And now it's looking to buy a gold-plated yacht that we're all going to sink in.
Don't forget the homes. I was watching a new clip on Yahoo! about the new middle class. The interviewed a couple (you can probably still find the clip online) with their faces blacked out. The were living in a community that had HUGE homes. On the inside, you could tell they had nice countertops and nice fixtures. The guy lost his job and now the woman was working at a job ($11/hour) to make ends meet. All the while they are burning through their savings. That home and that neighborhood is no middle-class I'm used to. That's for sure!

My wife and I both work. We both make a decent salary. When we went to buy a home, the banks told us we would qualify for nearly twice as much $$$ as the home we eventually bought. We have always tried to keep our bills such that if one of us loses their jobs, the other can pay the bills and not go under.

We live a nice life... in a nice, small home. We made that choice. Other people chose to overcommit with housing and credit card debt. Is that the person's fault OR the bank's fault?
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Old 03-18-2010, 05:09 AM   #27
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Don't forget the homes. I was watching a new clip on Yahoo! about the new middle class. The interviewed a couple (you can probably still find the clip online) with their faces blacked out. The were living in a community that had HUGE homes. On the inside, you could tell they had nice countertops and nice fixtures. The guy lost his job and now the woman was working at a job ($11/hour) to make ends meet. All the while they are burning through their savings. That home and that neighborhood is no middle-class I'm used to. That's for sure!

My wife and I both work. We both make a decent salary. When we went to buy a home, the banks told us we would qualify for nearly twice as much $$$ as the home we eventually bought. We have always tried to keep our bills such that if one of us loses their jobs, the other can pay the bills and not go under.

We live a nice life... in a nice, small home. We made that choice. Other people chose to overcommit with housing and credit card debt. Is that the person's fault OR the bank's fault?
It's Bush's fault!
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Old 03-18-2010, 06:49 AM   #28
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Got 50 in today after work. Not bad.
But that's only 1 Seattle mile!

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Old 03-18-2010, 06:55 AM   #29
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Don't forget the homes. I was watching a new clip on Yahoo! about the new middle class. The interviewed a couple (you can probably still find the clip online) with their faces blacked out. The were living in a community that had HUGE homes. On the inside, you could tell they had nice countertops and nice fixtures. The guy lost his job and now the woman was working at a job ($11/hour) to make ends meet. All the while they are burning through their savings. That home and that neighborhood is no middle-class I'm used to. That's for sure!

My wife and I both work. We both make a decent salary. When we went to buy a home, the banks told us we would qualify for nearly twice as much $$$ as the home we eventually bought. We have always tried to keep our bills such that if one of us loses their jobs, the other can pay the bills and not go under.

We live a nice life... in a nice, small home. We made that choice. Other people chose to overcommit with housing and credit card debt. Is that the person's fault OR the bank's fault?
And that's exactly why I didn't buy that $350,000 home that the bank was pushing-off on myself and The Wife 11 years-ago, but instead "settled" for the $60,000 one. Now, it's nearly paid-off, and The Wife has been Disabled (MS) and not working for about 4-1/2 years or so. If we'd bought "The big House", we'd be homeless right now. We DAMN sure wouldn't be able to afford Motorcycles and car-racing, etc.

Unless Obama gave it all to us.
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Old 03-18-2010, 06:59 AM   #30
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"When we went to buy a home, the banks told us we would qualify for nearly twice as much $$$ as the home we eventually bought."

+1 on that Pulley. When I was buying 5 years ago they 'qualified' me for $400,000 on one income! I said to the guy that you are giving me the rope to hang myself with. I bought a house for less than half that, and it is everything I need and more. The funny part is that I got laid off one month after purchasing the house and didn't worry a bit. I had plenty of savings and the payment was affordable. If I went for the 400 G house, I would have gone belly-up in no time, and then I could cry about those robber-baron lenders that screwed me! There was enough greed all the way around to cause this mess.
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